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Hi WPACK folks,

I sent a signific= ant update to=C2=A0draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges at=C2=A0https://github.com/WICG/webpa= ckage/pull/604, to make the spec more similar to other IETF format spec= ifications (and 10 pages shorter). There's a preview at=C2=A0https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bun= dle-spec/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges.html.

Do folks here think the new style is better or worse? Are the minor changes improvements? Di= d I miss any accidental changes?

Thanks,
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Is there anything you think that is lost? Obviously going from 20-odd to 10-odd pages is a pretty big reduction. Using appendices for algorithms can help when it comes to getting into the details of implementation, particularly if there are tricks or common errors you want to highlight. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, at 06:47, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: > Hi WPACK folks, > > I sent a significant update to draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges at > https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/pull/604, to make the spec more > similar to other IETF format specifications (and 10 pages shorter). > There's a preview at > https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bundle-spec/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges.html. > > Do folks here think the new style is better or worse? Are the minor > changes > improvements? Did I miss any accidental changes? > > Thanks, > Jeffrey > _______________________________________________ > Wpack mailing list > Wpack@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack > From nobody Tue Nov 10 10:47:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpack@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpack@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DD63A0E56 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:47:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=chromium.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o_W02gn4hWJG for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B0E83A0E4A for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id q22so5221150qkq.6 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chromium.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RSCYWEUx+1AxgY/H8fE5LKoJSVV9PQOIPPAEX2YZ9ag=; b=Je+T9fOM3kAgIrgBGk22dvT89TWZ9uBRzSS9MZ7cajevOcLaE3BG4QZqOe0jaxqIP5 x/8Ej8FK4iawukgSE56QvVftoKK+PGxwkCViWVSfsVwZE2P9FTdmnOYrSXffbAndUeP6 j1enStlgJCMm37nBc7IBuUp70KdrQIo/ixUKo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RSCYWEUx+1AxgY/H8fE5LKoJSVV9PQOIPPAEX2YZ9ag=; b=Vqqp288cl3Axg1rCncixoxIry6OynO63pCqISzar2PgvmwYTCy92s1EnZ6emAHYhhb 3tG4LcP3BDX8oukulgNwYgA1YBg3tgOlFyjF2bsGKOLNWT7vSsO2ftp2BrYP0b28tuAf Hs+y5RyxDfmTiEsjpooDJhtgrq1++yYxd8RlKoyf5btBEKyWwbWuFuRgHBsq781Jf1Oh s/8hCb/ufihaLvlJxPUKUkyxS6pBBMQnuh5MBxmssP0SW1i0C3T27naQGeznOGXuamoU c2Wi93A3zRdNJAanWxVm7ixx5AwE5w/AG6aWozxIJoNuWIM+gtawHbPjXpOAQZLW3jbb BmjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530pSvOWLLVymruxxoYRsTbEqyGxf+AjhwL/tTyOp4Hfg7fFsdL6 QycBa3Zd3OaA9ogrzKd7ZFat5GbjAMeuSlFU+gb1BWn7V4Nh+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCM7KEeZ4WJ13ypyGxW2OWKY33rXceEfescYiNGG5Aicbuoggzyi4F/GCS6fXq7GpGM5muARV/XQtL5eD/yCc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:2790:: with SMTP id n138mr18773262qkn.324.1605034029319; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <391b337a-9de4-45e0-8c11-ebca22a8eb53@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <391b337a-9de4-45e0-8c11-ebca22a8eb53@www.fastmail.com> From: Jeffrey Yasskin Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:46:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: Martin Thomson Cc: WPACK List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002c12f905b3c51b5f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Wpack] Rewrite of bundles spec X-BeenThere: wpack@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Web Packaging List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:47:35 -0000 --0000000000002c12f905b3c51b5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As you noticed, the algorithms are gone, and I'll need to put them somewhere to match the browser-side style for specifying things. I'm planning to put them in https://wicg.github.io/webpackage/loading.html, where the W3C's tools are better for expressing algorithms than xml2rfc v3 is. I could move them to an appendix here instead if people prefer. I don't know of anything particularly subtle in the algorithms. They help in making sure that all of the places I MUST the bundle creator are either enforced by the parser or clearly not-enforced by the parser, and when the creator breaks two rules, the algorithms help all implementations return the same error. But since a browser has different possible error reports than a CDN or an ebook reader, some of that has to go in a spec that's specific to the kind of consumer anyway. Jeffrey On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > >From a brief skim, this seems a little more accessible. Is there > anything you think that is lost? Obviously going from 20-odd to 10-odd > pages is a pretty big reduction. Using appendices for algorithms can help > when it comes to getting into the details of implementation, particularly > if there are tricks or common errors you want to highlight. > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, at 06:47, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: > > Hi WPACK folks, > > > > I sent a significant update to draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges at > > https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/pull/604, to make the spec more > > similar to other IETF format specifications (and 10 pages shorter). > > There's a preview at > > > https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bundle-spec/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges.html > . > > > > Do folks here think the new style is better or worse? Are the minor > > changes > > < > https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bundle-spec/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges.html#name-change-log> > improvements? Did I miss any accidental changes? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeffrey > > _______________________________________________ > > Wpack mailing list > > Wpack@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wpack mailing list > Wpack@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack > --0000000000002c12f905b3c51b5f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As you noticed, the algorithms are gone, and I'll= need to put them somewhere to match the browser-side style for specifying = things. I'm planning to put them in https://wicg.github.io/webpackage/loading.html,= where the W3C's tools are better for expressing algorithms than xml2rf= c v3 is. I could move them to an appendix here instead if people prefer.

I don't know of anything particularly subtle in = the algorithms. They help in making sure that all of the places I MUST the= =C2=A0bundle creator are either enforced by the parser or clearly not-enfor= ced by the parser, and when the creator breaks two rules, the algorithms he= lp all implementations return the same error. But since a browser has diffe= rent possible error reports than a CDN or an ebook reader, some of that has= to go in a spec that's specific to the kind of consumer anyway.
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM Martin Thomson <= ;mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
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>From a brief ski= m, this seems a little more accessible.=C2=A0 Is there anything you think t= hat is lost?=C2=A0 Obviously going from 20-odd to 10-odd pages is a pretty = big reduction.=C2=A0 Using appendices for algorithms can help when it comes= to getting into the details of implementation, particularly if there are t= ricks or common errors you want to highlight.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, at 06:47, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote:
> Hi WPACK folks,
>
> I sent a significant update to draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges a= t
> https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/pull/604, to = make the spec more
> similar to other IETF format specifications (and 10 pages shorter). > There's a preview at
> https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bundle-spec/draft-yasskin-= wpack-bundled-exchanges.html.
>
> Do folks here think the new style is better or worse? Are the minor > changes
> <https://jyasskin.github.io/webpackage/update-bundle= -spec/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges.html#name-change-log> im= provements? Did I miss any accidental changes?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeffrey
> _______________________________________________
> Wpack mailing list
> Wpack@ietf.org=
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack
>

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