From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 5 21:06:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA10470 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13526; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:04:31 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13441; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13410; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (207.20.85.65 -> kiwi.equinix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:04:24 -0500 Received: from icooper.equinix.com (tunnel2-6.corp.equinix.com [172.16.252.6]) by kiwi.equinix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16037 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:04:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001205180123.00a867e0@nemo.corp.equinix.com> X-Sender: icooper@nemo.corp.equinix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:04:12 -0800 To: wrec@cs.utk.edu From: Ian Cooper Subject: content "update" protocol stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Just wanted to make sure everyone had seen draft-rzewski-cndistcs-00.txt as well as Dan's work. It would probably be useful for folks to have read draft-rzewski-oacp-00.txt as well. From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 5 21:41:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA18803 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17663; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:39:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17487; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17474; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (171.69.63.141 -> omega.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:39:48 -0500 Received: from dli2-nt (dhcp-10-34-17-66.cisco.com [10.34.17.66]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23571; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:39:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001205183710.04dbd9f0@omega> X-Sender: lidan@omega X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:40:39 -0800 To: Ian Cooper , Mark Nottingham From: Dan Li Subject: Re: informal meeting on cache invalidation etc. Cc: wrec@cs.utk.edu, Pei Cao , mike Dahlin , Fred Douglis In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001127122451.02338d50@omega> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001122163935.00ac3e70@nemo.corp.equinix.com> <4.2.0.58.20001122161420.02a83990@omega> <20001122160710.H16663@akamai.com> <4.2.0.58.20001112204854.00c9a4e0@omega> <4.2.0.58.20001112204854.00c9a4e0@omega> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It seems meeting after the WG meeting is a better idea. So, we'll meet Tuesday evening during IETF social, and possibly Wednesday morning for folks interested in deeper discussion. Place will be coordinated during the WG meeting. At 12:35 PM 11/27/00 -0800, Dan Li wrote: >Hi, we don't have much time in wrec to have technical discussions, so I'll >schedule an informal discussion on wcip, docp, beep etc. work on Tuesday >morning (and perhaps in the evening after the wrec meeting), for people >interested in this work. Let me know if you think this is a good idea and >whether the time works for you. 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This is a re-announcement of the Call for Papers for WCW'2001. After our initial announcement, we received complaints about moving the submission deadline substantially earlier than the previous year. The reason for doing that was to avoid the overlap of the reviewing period with SIGCOMM, since several of our PC members serve on SIGCOMM's PC also. However, after revisiting this issue, we were able to move our reviewing not before but after the SIGCOMM's. Hence, please note new dates, with the submission deadline of March 9. Michael Rabinovich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sixth International Web Caching and Content Delivery Workshop Boston University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA June 20-22, 2001 http://www.cs.bu.edu/pub/wcw01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Overview -------- The International Workshop on Web Caching and Content Delivery (WCW) is a premiere technical meeting for researchers and practitioners interested in all aspects of content caching, distribution and delivery on the Internet. This year's meeting will be held in Boston (tentatively on the Boston University Campus) and will build on the successes of the five previous WCW meetings. We anticipate a strong technical program, exhibitions by leading vendors, and participation from leading researchers and practitioners in the field. Please refer to the various sections of this web site for more information. Important Deadlines and Dates ----------------------------- March 9, 2001: Deadline for submission of full technical papers March 9, 2001: Deadline for submission of R&D synopses and BOF proposals May 7, 2001: Notification of acceptance of papers, synopses, and BOF proposals June 4, 2001: Camera-Ready copy of accepted papers and synopses June 20, 2001: Workshop starts! Call for Papers --------------- The 6th International Workshop on Web Caching and Content Delivery solicits technical papers as well as short synopses addressing various issues on the state-of-the-art in Web Caching and Content Distribution technologies. Topics of interest include (but are not limited to): + Web Caching Architectures + Cache Management Algorithms + Streaming Media Caching and Distribution + Application and Dynamic Content Caching + Consistency Management + Replication Strategies + Content Distribution Networks Architectures and Protocols + Workload Analysis and Characterization + Benchmarking + Content Peering and Alliances + Standardization and Interoperability + Deployment Experiences Submission Guidelines --------------------- Technical Papers Technical papers describing previously unpublished research results are solicited. Although we will give appropriate consideration to all submissions, we expect to favor submissions with new, if not entirely fleshed out, ideas over meticulous but incremental work. Paper manuscripts should not exceed 5,000 words, and should not have been previously published (or be under consideration for publication) in part or in full. Manuscripts must be submitted electronically in printable postscript or PDF form. All submissions will be reviewed by the Program Committee members for appropriateness to the workshop, for originality, and for technical merits. Accepted papers will be presented at the workshop and published in the workshop proceedings. In the past, selected papers were published in a special issue of a leading journal and we anticipate being able to do the same this year (details to follow). The deadline for technical paper submissions is March 9, 2001. Details of the submission procedure will be posted on the workshop's web page (http://www.cs.bu.edu/pub/wcw01) in due time. Research and Development Synopses Short abstracts describing experiences with experimental or commercial systems or works in progress are solicited. Synopsis manuscripts should not exceed 10 double-spaced pages ( including figures and tables). Manuscripts must be submitted electronically in printable postscript or PDF form. All submissions will be reviewed by the Program Committee members for appropriateness to the workshop. Accepted synopses will be presented at the workshop and will be published in the workshop proceedings. The deadline for accepting research and development synopsis submissions is March 9, 2001. Details of the submission procedure will be posted on this page in due time. Proposals for Panel and BOF Sessions Proposals for Panels and BOF sessions are solicited. Please send proposals to the Program Committee co-chairs. The deadline for accepting research and development synopsis submissions is March 9, 2001. Workshop Organization --------------------- Program Committee Chairs: + Azer Bestavros (CS Dept, Boston University) + Michael Rabinovich (AT&T Research) Program Committee Members: + Virgilio Almeida (Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil) + Chet Birger (Adero Inc) + John Byers (CS Dept, Boston University) + Jeff Chase (CS Dept, Duke University) + Mark Crovella (Network Appliance & CS Dept, Boston University) + Arun Iyengar (IBM TJ Watson Research Center) + Mike Dahlin (University of Texas, Austin) + Balachander Krishnamurthy (AT&T Research) + Steve McCanne (FastForward Networks) + Jeff Mogul (Compaq Western Research Lab) + Keith Ross (Eurocomm Institute) + Gary Tomlison (Entera Inc.) + Craig Wills (CS Dept, Worcester Polytechnic Institute) Steering Committee: + Pei Cao, Cisco + Valentino Cavalli, Terena + Peter Danzig, Akamai Technologies + John Martin, Network Appliance + Wojtek Sylwestrzak, Warsaw University + Duane Wessels, NLANR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For updated information about the workshop please refer to the workshop's web page at http://www.cs.bu.edu/pub/wcw01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 13 12:57:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA21212 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00503; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:25 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00472; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00440; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (134.134.248.3 -> ganymede.or.intel.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:57:21 -0500 Received: from condryvaio-desk.intel.com (jflrvguser-75.jf.intel.com [10.7.248.94]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.33 2000/11/21 19:27:27 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA21667 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:57:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001213095437.040a46e8@FMSMSX63.fm.intel.com> X-Sender: mwcondry@FMSMSX63.fm.intel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:54:56 -0800 To: wrec@cs.utk.edu From: "Michael W. 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From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 13 16:11:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA22602 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27653; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:21 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27626; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27600; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (207.20.85.65 -> kiwi.equinix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:11:19 -0500 Received: from icooper.equinix.com (tunnel2-11.corp.equinix.com [172.16.252.11]) by kiwi.equinix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19742 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:11:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001213130516.00b1a5a0@nemo.corp.equinix.com> X-Sender: icooper@nemo.corp.equinix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:10:58 -0800 To: wrec@cs.utk.edu From: Ian Cooper Subject: WEBI mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As noted in the WREC meeting yesterday, folks on the WREC mailing list will NOT be automatically subscribed to the WEBI mailing list. WEBI is proposed as a new working group, and as such you should go through the standard "new group" list subscription phase. To subscribe to the WEBI mailing list (for discussion of "Intermediary Discovery and Description" and "Resource Update Protocol" the proposed charter etc.) send mail to: webi-request@lists.equinix.com Send messages to the list at: webi@lists.equinix.com The list is currently archived in majordomo (there are no messages to the list as yet, to my knowledge) and we're working on getting a web interface set up. [Draft minutes of the WREC meeting will be posted to both lists shortly.] From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Mon Dec 18 14:06:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA13281 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03024; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02927; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from by.genie.uottawa.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02910; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from by.genie.uottawa.ca (137.122.20.226 -> by.genie.uottawa.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:03 -0500 Received: from mobstar ([137.122.107.157]) by by.genie.uottawa.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06427 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:58:55 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Ahmed Karmouch" To: Subject: Workshop on Mobile Software Agents- MATA 2001- Montreal, CANADA Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <02ac01c068d8$a9b770d0$9d6b7a89@uottawa.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA03024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id OAA13281 [My apologies if you receive this more than once] ====================================================== MATA'2001 Third International Workshop on Mobile Agents for Telecommunication Applications August 14-16, 2001, Montréal, CANADA Co-sponsored by IEEE/ACM http://www.congresbcu.com/mata01/ ====================================================== First Call for Papers ====================================================== Scope ========= The aim of the workshop is to provide an opportunity for researchers, software and application developers, and computer network technologists to discuss new developments on the mobile agent technology and applications. The workshop will focus on mobile agent issues across the areas of network management, mobile computing, feature interactions, Internet applications, QoS management, policy-based management, intelligent information gathering, Ad hoc networks and applications, active and programmable networks, Computer Telephony Integration and other related areas. Call for Papers, Tutorials, Panels and Exhibits ==================================================== Contributions describing original research, surveys and applications are solicited. Authors are invited to submit papers (5,000 words) on completed research or work in progress to the MATA'2001 Workshop Chair (Send 5 copies of the full manuscript. Electronic submission is also possible: Roch Glitho MATA'01 Program Chair Ericcson Research Canada 8400, boul. Décarie Ville Mont-Royal, Québec, Canada H4P 2N2 Tel.: (514) 345-7000 ext. 2266 Fax.: (514) 345-6105 email: roch.glitho@lmc.ericsson.se ========================== Selected papers will be published in IEEE Networks Journal. ============================ Important Dates ==================== FULL paper submission due: April 1, 2001 Notification of acceptance: May 15, 2001 Final Paper due: June 15, 2001 Tutorial proposals due: May 30, 2001 ================================================================ More information on MATA'01 is available at http://www.congresbcu.com/mata01/ From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Tue Dec 19 12:13:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA18601 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01977; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:08:57 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01947; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01919; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (132.233.247.11 -> thalia.fm.intel.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:08:50 -0500 Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs01-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.201]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.33 2000/11/21 19:27:27 smothers Exp $) with SMTP id RAA12513 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:09:45 GMT Received: from fmsmsx17.intel.com ([132.233.48.17]) by 132.233.48.201 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:08:25 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx17.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: <794826DE8867D411BAB8009027AE9EB901459314@FMSMSX38> From: "Steiner, Ken" To: "'wrec@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:08:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I would like to subscribe to this list. Thanks, Ken Steiner ken.steiner@intel.com From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 10:58:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA00068 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22291; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:09 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22268; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22254; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (128.83.139.10 -> mail.cs.utexas.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:04 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (vaio.csres.utexas.edu [128.83.141.4]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12570; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:56:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A403045.4E2A6E20@cs.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:06:29 -0600 From: Mike Dahlin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cdn@ops.ietf.org, webi@lists.equinix.com, wrec@cs.utk.edu Subject: WCIP/Content-signaling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the IETF meeting, there were a number of discussions regarding "content signalling" (wcip invalidation, etc.) One of the conclusions in the informal discussions was that there should be a separate mailing list and web site for this discussion. These have been set up: http://www.content-signaling.org To subscribe to the mailing list send a message To: listproc@lists.cc.utexas.edu with the body subscribe content-notification FIRSTNAME LASTNAME I have posted a summary of the informal discussions to the web page and mailing list. -mike From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 12:49:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA06498 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04762; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:10 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04733; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04702; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (128.83.139.10 -> mail.cs.utexas.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:07 -0500 Received: from cs.utexas.edu (vaio.csres.utexas.edu [128.83.141.4]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13204; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:49:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A40F436.7986AA53@cs.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:02:31 -0600 From: Mike Dahlin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cdn@ops.ietf.org, webi@lists.equinix.com, wrec@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correction WCIP/Content-signaling References: <3A403045.4E2A6E20@cs.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > One of the conclusions in the informal discussions was that there should > be a separate mailing list and web site for this discussion. > > To subscribe to the mailing list send a message > To: listproc@lists.cc.utexas.edu > with the body > subscribe content-notification FIRSTNAME LASTNAME Sorry. The correct body should be: subscribe content-signaling FIRSTNAME LASTNAME -mike From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 15:59:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA14747 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26393; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:30 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26370; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26348; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (207.20.85.65 -> kiwi.equinix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:24 -0500 Received: from icooper.equinix.com (tunnel2-14.corp.equinix.com [172.16.252.14]) by kiwi.equinix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20733; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001220204416.020f0d70@nemo.corp.equinix.com> X-Sender: icooper@nemo.corp.equinix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:56:31 +0000 To: Mike Dahlin , cdn@ops.ietf.org, webi@lists.equinix.com, wrec@cs.utk.edu From: Ian Cooper Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling In-Reply-To: <3A403045.4E2A6E20@cs.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 22:06 12/19/2000 -0600, Mike Dahlin wrote: >At the IETF meeting, there were a number of discussions regarding >"content signalling" (wcip invalidation, etc.) > >One of the conclusions in the informal discussions was that there should >be a separate mailing list and web site for this discussion. Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it to either of the informal meetings, so I'd be grateful if someone could give me a little background on the decision to form this splinter group rather than trying to hash things out within the context of the proposed work in WEBI. It seems that we're trying to do very similar things. I'm a little confused. From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 16:20:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA15514 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00776; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:45 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00745; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00730; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (135.207.30.103 -> H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:44 -0500 Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5751E00A; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from douglux.research.att.com (root@douglux.research.att.com [135.207.26.106]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04937; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from douglux.research.att.com (IDENT:douglis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by douglux.research.att.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04968; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200012202120.QAA04968@douglux.research.att.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 From: Fred Douglis To: Ian Cooper Cc: Mike Dahlin , cdn@ops.ietf.org, webi@lists.equinix.com, wrec@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:56:31 GMT." <5.0.2.1.2.20001220204416.020f0d70@nemo.corp.equinix.com> X-URI: http://www.research.att.com/~douglis/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:41 -0500 Sender: douglis@research.att.com List-Unsubscribe: It's not a "splinter group" per se. The point is that the people interested in this topic (a dozen or so in all) met after the WG/BOF meetings to discuss further, and felt that sending all the mail to both CDN and WEBI on this particular topic might overwhelm the many more people with much less interest. So a separate mailing list was created, just like under CDN there are additional lists for the strawman internet drafts, early adopters, and so on. T This doesn't mean things won't go to the other lists when appropriate, just that the lower-level discussions need not involve so many lists. The next question is how WCIP relates to RUP, which is maybe what you were really asking. I'll let one of the WCIP authors answer that. I'm responding to the full lists in the hopes that this satisfies and closes the issue, but I know we risk a big email discussion of this. Since WCIP was previously discussed in the context of WREC, I propose that follow-ups go just to WREC (webi not being established enough yet). Fred From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 16:33:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16066 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02729; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:56 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02707; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04e.ca.nortel.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02662; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04e.ca.nortel.com (47.129.242.56 -> h56s242a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:49 -0500 Received: from zcard00m.ca.nortel.com by zcars04e.ca.nortel.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:26:12 -0500 Received: from zcard00f.ca.nortel.com (ZCARD00F [47.129.30.8]) by zcard00m.ca.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id ZHDF1JRH; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:26:12 -0500 Received: from abbieb1 (abbieb-1.ca.nortel.com [47.129.154.147]) by zcard00f.ca.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y6C6M146; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <018b01c06acb$e606e210$939a812f@ca.nortel.com> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Abbie Barbir" To: Fred Douglis , Ian Cooper Cc: Mike Dahlin , cdn , webi , wrec References: <200012202120.QAA04968@douglux.research.att.com> Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Orig: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi can somebody post the addresses of the revelant lists. thanks abbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Douglis" To: "Ian Cooper" Cc: "Mike Dahlin" ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:20 PM Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling > It's not a "splinter group" per se. The point is that the people interested > in this topic (a dozen or so in all) met after the WG/BOF meetings to discuss > further, and felt that sending all the mail to both CDN and WEBI on this > particular topic might overwhelm the many more people with much less interest. > So a separate mailing list was created, just like under CDN there are > additional lists for the strawman internet drafts, early adopters, and so on. T > This doesn't mean things won't go to the other lists when appropriate, just > that the lower-level discussions need not involve so many lists. > > The next question is how WCIP relates to RUP, which is maybe what you were > really asking. I'll let one of the WCIP authors answer that. > > I'm responding to the full lists in the hopes that this satisfies and closes > the issue, but I know we risk a big email discussion of this. Since WCIP was > previously discussed in the context of WREC, I propose that follow-ups go just > to WREC (webi not being established enough yet). > > Fred > > From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Wed Dec 20 19:17:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA20459 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19300; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:34 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19278; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19229; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (171.69.63.141 -> omega.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:17:15 -0500 Received: from dli2-nt (dhcp-10-34-17-66.cisco.com [10.34.17.66]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03901; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:16:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001220160538.02487730@omega> X-Sender: lidan@omega X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:18:23 -0800 To: Fred Douglis , Ian Cooper From: Dan Li Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling Cc: Mike Dahlin , wrec@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200012202120.QAA04968@douglux.research.att.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Following Fred's advice, this's copied only to wrec mailing list. At 04:20 PM 12/20/00 -0500, Fred Douglis wrote: >The next question is how WCIP relates to RUP, which is maybe what you were >really asking. I'll let one of the WCIP authors answer that. Here is what the discussion summary recorded (see http://www.content-signaling.org/) >2. Architecture > >Mark Nottingham described a conceptual architecture for RUP ("Resource >Update Protocol") in his presentation at the official meeting. > > >RUP components > --------------------- > metadata/state -- invalidation, delta/update, ... > --------------------- > resource selection > --------------------- > update message "NOTIFICATION?" > --------------------- > channel > --------------------- > subscription mechanism | reliability > --------------------- > announcment -- HTTP header, well-known location, ... > --------------------- > >In later informal discussions, two main issues were raised: > >a) To what extent should the group's work focus on a "general > framework" v. a specific protocol. > > In particular, there was some concern that focusing on a general > framework could slow progress on the invalidation protocol (see > discussion above), and that some of the specific protocols that Mark > floated as solutions for some of these layers were not mature. > >b) How does this conceptual framework match the specific wcip > proposal? > > The abstract design and specific instantiation were designed by > largely different groups of people and with different immediate > goals. A systematic comparison of the two designs may shed light on > both. From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Thu Dec 21 12:46:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA25650 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28694; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:45:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28660; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04f.ca.nortel.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28640; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04f.ca.nortel.com (47.129.242.57 -> h57s242a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:45:26 -0500 Received: from zcard00m.ca.nortel.com by zcars04f.ca.nortel.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:44:43 -0500 Received: from zcard00f.ca.nortel.com ([47.129.30.8]) by zcard00m.ca.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id ZJM7Q4N7; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:44:37 -0500 Received: from abbieb1 (abbieb-1.ca.nortel.com [47.129.154.147]) by zcard00f.ca.nortel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id Y6C6MF13; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: <02ea01c06b76$3c046d90$939a812f@ca.nortel.com> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Abbie Barbir" To: wrec Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C06B4C.53284B10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Orig: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C06B4C.53284B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C06B4C.53284B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C06B4C.53284B10-- From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 22 02:51:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA26504 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09958; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09935; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from akamai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09922; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from akamai.com (64.14.77.2 -> akafire-exodus.akamai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:48 -0500 Received: from akamai.com (vwall3.kendall.akamai.com [172.24.40.127]) by akamai.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBM7olB09085 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ssh-gw.sanmateo.akamai.com (ssh-gw.sanmateo.akamai.com [172.23.1.53]) by akamai.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBM7ojL07140; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mnot@localhost) by ssh-gw.sanmateo.akamai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00684; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:50:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:50:45 -0800 From: Mark Nottingham To: Dan Li Cc: Fred Douglis , Ian Cooper , Mike Dahlin , wrec@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WCIP/Content-signaling Message-ID: <20001221235039.A503@akamai.com> References: <200012202120.QAA04968@douglux.research.att.com> <4.2.0.58.20001220160538.02487730@omega> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001220160538.02487730@omega>; from lidan@cisco.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:18:23PM -0800 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:18:23PM -0800, Dan Li wrote: > >b) How does this conceptual framework match the specific wcip > > proposal? > > > > The abstract design and specific instantiation were designed by > > largely different groups of people and with different immediate > > goals. A systematic comparison of the two designs may shed light on > > both. What I presented was primarily to get discussion going, especially about the specific tasks that a protocol might have to address -- I'm wary of calling it a 'design', as it's the product of some quick whiteboarding about a week before San Diego. Regarding the 'framework vs. specific protocol' issue, it seems to me that calling it a framework only denotes that we acknowledge that it may be used for other purposes in the future, and design with extensibility/modularity in mind; it does not mean that we should try and divine those purposes, or be restricted by them. Following on your comments above, I'd like to see us go forward by stepping back and getting an idea of what we'd like to do -- through a requirements document -- and then hold up the specific proposals against them. This will allow us to make sure everyone's on the same page, and to quickly determine how much work is to be done, as well as whether our requirements are reasonable. Dan, you've been working on WCIP for a fair amount of time. I'd be very interested to see some use cases and the requirements that come out of them, based on your experiences. 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From owner-wrec@cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 29 11:59:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA10595 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09982; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:58:35 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09954; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09941; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiwi.equinix.com (207.20.85.65 -> kiwi.equinix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:58:32 -0500 Received: from icooper.equinix.com (tunnel2-23.corp.equinix.com [172.16.252.23]) by kiwi.equinix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23749; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:58:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001229163849.01c44c98@nemo.corp.equinix.com> X-Sender: icooper@nemo.corp.equinix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:58:22 +0000 To: wrec@cs.utk.edu, webi@lists.equinix.com From: Ian Cooper Subject: Draft minutes for WREC meeting at IETF49 (San Diego) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Here are the minutes for the WREC meeting held in San Diego. If you spot something that you believe is not accurate please let me know ASAP, so that corrections can be made before I submit the final minutes. Thanks. WREC minutes (IETF49, San Diego) Tuesday 12 December 2000 Co-chairs: Mark Nottingham Ian Cooper Presentation slides: http://www.mnot.net/papers/ietf-49-wrec.{ppt|pdf|htm} The meeting was a combination of an update on the status of WREC as well as an introduction to possible future work within a new group, WEBI (Web Intermediaries). Ian Cooper gave an update on the status of the WREC group and work. Ian and Mark Nottingham had replaced John Martin and Bill Maggs for the remaining life of the group, and gave thanks for their efforts in the past. An update of the "Known Problems" document was given. The format of the document had been changed to move more "historical" interest items to the appendix. The revised document was almost ready for group last call. The "Taxonomy" document had been returned by RFC-editor due to some concerns with the types and quantity of some references. Internet Drafts appeared to have been given as normative references (hopefully resolved by changed wording); the large number of URLs used in, and as, references was a concern. URL only references were removed where possible, and other URLs (e.g. for RFCs and Internet Drafts) were also removed. Document re-submitted to IESG and copied to the mailing list since it had not been re-submitted to the Internet Drafts queue. Larry Masinter commented that the revised version needed to be submitted as an Internet Draft since there had been changes. Ian believed that since these were only editorial changes that this was an unnecessary step. [Later clarification indicates that the document needed to be re-submitted.] In order to close WREC the outstanding work items (Known Problems and Taxonomy documents) needed to be finished or removed. Removal and a change to individual submissions was the chairs favored solutions in order to facilitate the move to new work. Mark Nottingham described the motivation for new work in this field, within the context of a new working group. WREC identified issues in the Web infrastructure that need resolution; there is community interest in solving additional problems in the Web infrastructure. A presentation on two proposed areas of work was given: "Intermediary Discovery and Description" (IDD), and "Resource Update Protocol" (RUP). IDD was proposed to resolve the known issues with interception proxies and the problems surrounding WPAD (reliance on PAC files; general lack of support). Alex French commented that it may not be useful to put the intelligence into the client. The amount of information and processing may be too high for lightweight clients. Michael Condry asked whether the locality of the discovery was dependant upon network or geographical topology, and that in response to Mark's belief that it should be dependant on network locality suggested that regional locality needs to be considered for services that are regional in nature. Mark encouraged interested parties to subscribe to the WEBI mailing list. In response to a question to the floor, Ian clarified that subscriptions to WREC would not be automatically transferred to the WEBI list, and that the WEBI list would be announced on the WREC list. Scott Brim asked whether there was a suggested date for having a stake in the ground on requirements. It was suggested that this should be Feb 2001. Oskar Batuner commented that while IDD may be an academically correct thing to examine, this was an area where there was already a solution. There is a conflict of interests in the user choosing their intermediary vs. forcing users to connect through devices in the network. Most people (ed: network managers?) would still use transparent proxies (sic). The group should, perhaps, look at discovering interception proxies. Mark Nottingham acknowledged that one could never get rid of all interception proxies. Larry Masinter commented that the process is useful even if clients are not using it. Figure out the right thing to do then work out the transition process. Mark Nottingham stated that IDD could be used for more than simple discovery of proxies. John Martin noted that the two environments are not mutually exclusive. The proxy does not care how the request gets to it. Lesley Daigle warned that there was a danger in suggesting transparency from the user and in automating meshes. There is a danger of getting involved in the relationship between the end user and the content provider. With reference to a comment made in the presentation slides, Evan Baer commented that he liked the analogy between Web UA and mail UA (users think nothing of configuring their mail UA to use a local mail system, but this is not the case for Web access through a proxy). Perhaps there was scope for a new query type on top of DNS? Mark Nottingham went on to give an outline for a "Resource Update Protocol" (RUP). There were concerns on the use of XML for meta-data transfer. With reference to the presentation slides, there was a query regarding URISpace. Mark was unwilling to say where this work was being done. The proposed charter for WEBI did not propose a requirements document for RUP, but this was now seen as an omission. Dan Li suggested that perhaps the protocol should be named WRUP (Web Resource Update Protocol). Pei Cao queried whether invalidations and updates would be grouped together within the protocol. Invalidations can be small, with updates being much larger - this would force a design at the lower layer. Also commented that stronger authentication was necessary for updates than for invalidations. Mark commented that authentication may cause many requirements. ??? suggested that SASL may provide a reasonable framework. Phil ??? queried the use cases. Mark: large number (hierarchy) of intermediaries where the state has to be transferred, without polling. Phil: push technology? Mark: perhaps Ashish ??? commented on the one way channel, querying the restriction. It may be useful to have a back channel for monitoring. Mark commented that the nature of the channel was not set. ??? noted that there were common problems at the transport levels (multicast). Rather than reinvent that work, standardize interface at the edges, APIs. Dan Li also commented that the interfaces between transport and messaging mechanisms should be clearly defined. Brad Cain queried which network layers were being considered for the work. Paul Eastham stated that we must consider AAA issues (e.g. problems of accounting issues if things become cacheable). Some of the drafts (in other groups) already consider this. Needs further discussion. Ted Hardie warned that the discussion was descending in many ratholes (in terms of proposing transport protocols at this early stage). Should consider the actual problems before considering the transport mechanisms. Harald Alvestrand queried the scaling of the system, and suggested that we need to define how far the system scales. Mark responded that the system should be able to cope with 10,000 subscribers to the same object. Michael Condry suggested that the charter needed revising. Dan Li asked how the proposed work related to the CDNP distribution peering. Seems that there is a common signalling problem and how to package and group objects; concern that the work may be done twice. Mark Day commented that signalling may be inputs to design process. [ed: the proposed groups had already been requested to work together to identify common ground and what might be done where.] Pei Cao asked whether the scope of RUP was for single or multiple administrative domains. Mark Nottingham replied that the work should be generic, not limited to either. There was rough consensus that the two proposed work items were interested and well scoped. It was agreed that the charter should be revised to include reference to the RUP requirements document, and also to clarify the scope of the group in relation to other proposed groups in the area. WEBI Mailing list details: Subscriptions: webi-request@lists.equinix.com To post to the list: webi@lists.equinix.com Archive is currently within majordomo. Send message with body "index webi" for a list of files (or "help" for help with this feature). Web archive will be available shortly.