From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 14 10:35:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12234 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QGN-0001V0-H9 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9EEZ3lq005752 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QGN-0001Uh-9W for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12214 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QGL-0003KR-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QGK-0003KO-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QGL-0001UV-Sh; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A9QFP-0001Tr-Be for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:34:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12188 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QFM-0003K3-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:34:00 -0400 Received: from mail4.dynamicsoft.com ([63.110.3.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A9QFM-0003Jc-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:34:00 -0400 Received: from DYN-TX-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-tx-exch-001 [63.110.3.8]) by mail4.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9EEXOiM014593 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4X07V23R>; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:33:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E8650D@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> From: Adam Roach To: "'xcon@ietf.org'" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Xcon] XCON Mailing List has Moved Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Welcome to the new XCON Working Group mailing list. 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Further information about the mailing list is available at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon The softarmor.com mailing list will be decommissioned shortly; please discontinue its use at this time. /a _______________________________________________ Xcon mailing list Xcon@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 16 12:51:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10791 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AABL3-00058w-TA for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9GGp1LR019764 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AABL3-00058h-Nj for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10766 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AABL2-000702-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AABL1-0006zy-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AABL2-00058E-Of; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:51:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AABKi-00056K-Lb for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10739 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AABKh-0006zV-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:39 -0400 Received: from mail4.dynamicsoft.com ([63.110.3.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AABKg-0006yp-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:38 -0400 Received: from DYN-TX-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-tx-exch-001 [63.110.3.8]) by mail4.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9GGo6iM025446 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4X07VKT4>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E86517@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> From: Adam Roach To: "'xcon@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:50:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [XCON] MONDAY DEADLINE: Preparing for the Upcoming Meeting Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , (As chair) To make efficient use of our time in Minneapolis and to make progress towards meeting the working group goals, we need to start discussing topics related to our deliverables. The first two items that we plan to submit for publication are requirements for membership manipulation and floor control. There are already a couple of proposed drafts on these topics. If you have not already done so, please read these proposals (draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt and draft-koskelainen-xcon-floor-control-req-00.txt) and post questions, comments, suggestions, etc to the list. Also, if you want to submit any new documents to be discussed in Minnesota, especially on membership manipulation requirements or floor control requirements, please do so quickly. The cutoff for -00 drafts is 9:00 AM ET on THIS UPCOMING MONDAY, so time is running short if you plan to submit any new drafts on these topics. Remember: the more open issues we can close before the Minneapolis meeting, the more face time we have to work on the difficult ones. Thanks! /a _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 05:48:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19219 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWdv-0002LY-Of for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9K9m3ut009021 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWdv-0002LQ-Dc for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19201 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWdr-0006DB-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:59 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWdr-0006D7-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWds-0002KO-Ts; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABWdN-0002Cg-S8 for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19194 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWdK-0006Cz-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:26 -0400 Received: from news.ubiquity.net ([194.202.146.92] helo=gbnewp0186s1.eu.ubiquity.net) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABWdI-0006Cv-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:47:24 -0400 Received: from mailhost.eu.ubiquity.net by gbnewp0186s1.eu.ubiquity.net via smtpd (for ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) with SMTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:50:03 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C396EF.2A9F9C8F" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: <45730E094814E44488F789C1CDED27AE0219B0EA@gbnewp0758m.eu.ubiquity.net> Thread-Topic: Conference-Package ideas Thread-Index: AcOW7yghVJMCCJUvTfyHsWXIsTIdfw== From: "Chris Boulton" To: Cc: "Alan Johnston" Subject: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C396EF.2A9F9C8F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, I understand that the conference event package is currently being revised for another version and have a couple suggestions that the authors/list might want to consider for inclusion. I initially included these in a proposal for a new ID but have been advised (thanks Alan ;-) that they might be better suited in the base conference package. The information below all extend the 'user' element form 'draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package' with the exception of '' which extends the '' element. =20 conf-role Element =20 =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and provides an explicit role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar. The element can hold one of the following values: =20 chairman: The chair of the specified conference. =20 member: A general member of the specified conference. =20 secretary: The secretary of the conference. =20 observer: An observer of the conference. =20 =20 conference-locked Element =20 The element is used to convey to participants that the conference represented by this document is currently locked and can not receive any more participants. The element is not mandatory and holds a boolean value. =20 =20 hand-raised Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and indicates that a user who is currently muted wishes to become active. This element holds a boolean value. =20 =20 member-mute Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and conveys to a conference that a particular member is currently muted. It can either hold the token value 'muted' or 'not-muted'. =20 =20 resource-control Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01. A resource can refer to any media resource e.g. conference. This element determines if a conference participant is in control of the resource by providing a boolean true/false value. This element has two attributes: =20 resource-type: Names the resource under control. =20 resource-uri: Provides an associated URI for the resource under control (e.g. File transfer server). =20 =20 I would appreciate comments from the list/authors to determine if any of this functionality is deemed necessary for the base conference event package. If any one would like to see the full document which includes functionality that was left on the cutting room floor, then let me know. =20 Best Regards, =20 Chris. =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------ Chris Boulton Ubiquity Software =20 Tel : +44 (0) 1633765600 Fax : +44 (0) 1633765601=20 ------------------------------------------------ =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C396EF.2A9F9C8F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

        = ;    I understand that the conference event package is currently being revised = for another version and have a couple suggestions that the authors/list = might want to consider for inclusion.  = I initially included these in a proposal for a new ID but have been = advised (thanks Alan ;-) that they might be better suited in the base conference = package.  The information below all = extend the ‘user’ element form ‘draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package’ with the exception of ‘<conference-locked>’ which = extends the ‘<conference-info>’ = element.

 

conf-role Element

 

 

   = The <conference-role> element extends the <user> element = from

   = draft-ietf-sipping= -conference-package-01 and provides an = explicit

   = role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar.

   = The <conference-role> element can hold one of the following = values:

 

   = chairman: The chair of the specified = conference.

 

   = member: A general member of the specified = conference.

 

   = secretary: The secretary of the = conference.

 

   = observer: An observer of the = conference.

 

<xs:element name=3D"conf-role">

       &nbs= p;  <xs:simpleType>

       &nbs= p;    <xs:restriction base=3D"xs:token">

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"chairman"/>

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"member"/>

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"secretary"/>

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"observer"/>

       &nbs= p;    </xs:restriction>

=

       &nbs= p;  </xs:simpleType>

</xs:element>

 

conference-locked Element

 

   = The <conference-locked> element is used to convey to = participants

   = that the conference represented by this document is currently locked

   = and can not receive any more participants. The <conference-locked>

   = element is not mandatory and holds a boolean value.

 

<xs:element name=3D"conference-locked" type=3D"xs:boolean" default=3D"false" minOccurs=3D"0"<= /p>

       &nbs= p;   maxOccurs=3D"1"/>

 

hand-raised Element

 

   = The <hand-raised> element extends the <user> element = from

   = draft-ietf-sipping= -conference-package-01 and indicates that a = user

   = who is currently muted wishes to become = active.  This element holds = a

   = boolean = value.

 

<xs:element name=3D"hand-raised" type=3D"xs:boolean" default=3D"false"

       &nbs= p;      minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"1"/>

 

member-mute Element

 

   = The <member-mute> element extends the <user> element = from

   = draft-ietf-sipping= -conference-package-01 and conveys to a = conference

   = that a particular member is currently muted. It can = either hold the

   = token value 'muted' or = 'not-muted'.

 

<xs:element name=3D"member-mute">

       &nbs= p;  <xs:simpleType>

       &nbs= p;    <xs:restriction base=3D"xs:token">

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"muted"/>

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"not-muted"/>

       &nbs= p;    </xs:restriction>

=

       &nbs= p;  </xs:simpleType>

</xs:element>

 

resource-control Element

 

   = The <resource-control> element extends the <user> element = from

   = draft-ietf-sipping= -conference-package-01.  A resource can refer = to

   = any media resource e.g. conference.  This element determines if = a

   = conference participant is in control of the = resource by providing a

   = boolean true/false = value.  This element has two = attributes:

 

   = resource-type: Names the resource under = control.

 

   = resource-uri: Provides = an associated URI for the resource under

   = control (e.g. File transfer = server).

 

<xs:element name=3D"resource-control">

       &nbs= p;  <xs:complexType>

       &nbs= p;    <xs:restriction base=3D"xs:boolean">

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"true"/>

       &nbs= p;      <xs:enumeration value=3D"false"/>

       &nbs= p;    </xs:restriction>

=

       &nbs= p;    <xs:attribute name=3D"resource-type" type=3D"xs:string" use=3D"required"/>

   =         = ;  <xs:attribute name=3D"resource-uri" type=3D"xs:anyURI" use=3D"optional"/>

       &nbs= p;   </xs:complexType>

=

</xs:element>

 

I would appreciate comments from the list/authors to determine if any of this functionality is deemed necessary for the base = conference event package.  If any one = would like to see the full document which includes functionality that was left = on the cutting room floor, then let me know.

 

Best Regards,

 

Chris.

 

 

------------------------------------------------

Chris = Boulton

Ubiquity = Software

 =

Tel : +44 = (0) 1633765600

Fax : +44 = (0) 1633765601

------------------------------------------------=

 

 

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C396EF.2A9F9C8F-- _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 20 17:49:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07502 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABhtf-0008Rk-Vs for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9KLn3g2032464 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABhtf-0008RW-Mp for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07487 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABhtd-0001OA-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABhtc-0001O7-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABhte-0008QP-Kl; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:49:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABhta-0008Nd-77 for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07484 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABhtX-0001Nz-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:55 -0400 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABhtX-0001Mt-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:55 -0400 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 25474; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D4F6810@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: Conference-Package ideas Thread-Index: AcOW7yghVJMCCJUvTfyHsWXIsTIdfwAYvvvg From: "Eric Burger" To: "Chris Boulton" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good! I would make one PC change: Instead of "chairman", how about "chair"? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Boulton [mailto:cboulton@ubiquity.net] Sent: Mon, October 20, 2003 5:47 AM To: xcon@ietf.org Cc: Alan Johnston Subject: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas [snip] =20 conf-role Element =20 =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and provides an explicit role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar. The element can hold one of the following values: =20 chairman: The chair of the specified conference. =20 member: A general member of the specified conference. =20 secretary: The secretary of the conference. =20 observer: An observer of the conference. =20 [snip] _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 04:21:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09943 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABrlH-0005Ia-OZ for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9L8L3Eo020368 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABrlH-0005IR-H5 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09935 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABrlE-0000vk-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABrlE-0000vh-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABrlG-0005HM-HT; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:21:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ABrkU-000527-Kv for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:20:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09924 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABrkR-0000vR-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:20:11 -0400 Received: from ftp.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21] helo=ftp.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ABrkQ-0000vO-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:20:11 -0400 Received: from n-pool-3.office (unknown [212.126.217.155]) by ftp.ccrle.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A262AFE8F; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:20:10 +0200 From: Marcus Brunner Reply-To: Marcus Brunner To: Adam Roach Cc: "'xcon@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [XCON] MONDAY DEADLINE: Preparing for the Upcoming Meeting Message-ID: <4373378.1066731610@n-pool-3.office> In-Reply-To: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E86517@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> References: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E86517@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamics oft.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam, I have submitted a draft with some issues and additional requirements for floor control. Marcus --On Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:50 AM -0500 Adam Roach wrote: > (As chair) > > To make efficient use of our time in Minneapolis and to make > progress towards meeting the working group goals, we need to > start discussing topics related to our deliverables. > > The first two items that we plan to submit for publication are > requirements for membership manipulation and floor control. > There are already a couple of proposed drafts on these topics. > If you have not already done so, please read these proposals > (draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt and > draft-koskelainen-xcon-floor-control-req-00.txt) and post > questions, comments, suggestions, etc to the list. > > Also, if you want to submit any new documents to be discussed > in Minnesota, especially on membership manipulation requirements > or floor control requirements, please do so quickly. The cutoff > for -00 drafts is 9:00 AM ET on THIS UPCOMING MONDAY, so time is > running short if you plan to submit any new drafts on these topics. > > Remember: the more open issues we can close before the Minneapolis > meeting, the more face time we have to work on the difficult ones. > > Thanks! > > /a > > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon -------------------------------------- Dr. Marcus Brunner Network Laboratories NEC Europe Ltd. E-Mail: brunner@ccrle.nec.de WWW: http://www.ccrle.nec.de/ Phone: +49 (0) 6221 905 11 29 Mobile: +49 (0) 163 275 17 43 personal home page: http://www.brubers.org/marcus _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 15:48:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03571 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC2U6-0005i0-Ov for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9LJm21n021938 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC2U6-0005hl-KJ for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03540 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC2U5-0000NM-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC2U4-0000NI-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC2U5-0005hY-5r; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC2Tu-0005ej-Ja for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03525 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: petri.koskelainen@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC2Ts-0000Mx-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:48 -0400 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AC2Tr-0000Mr-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:47:47 -0400 Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id h9LJlkd23211 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:46 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:45 +0300 Received: from esebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.45]) by esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:44 +0300 Received: from trebe004.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.232.177]) by esebe005.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:44 +0300 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:47:43 +0300 Message-ID: <481D6FFB3BD60E4CB590F39C59098400023E0ACA@trebe004.europe.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: Conference-Package ideas Thread-Index: AcOW7yghVJMCCJUvTfyHsWXIsTIdfwBGsd8w To: , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2003 19:47:44.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[32198A70:01C3980C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is confusing. In floor control we already have "chair" role=20 and I don't think it is a good idea to have overlapping terminology. Hand-raised element also sounds like floor-control claim so I propose=20 that something else is used, such as silent/muted/inactive vs. active. Otherwise we are reinventing floor control. One new extension which might be useful is "trying to join" (or = "trying")=20 in status element. This is also needed in CPCP when user is in ACL = pending list and moderator is informed (via event package) that user is trying to = join and moderator needs to do something. Petri -----Original Message----- From: xcon-admin@ietf.org [mailto:xcon-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext = Chris Boulton Sent: 20 October, 2003 12:47 To: xcon@ietf.org Cc: Alan Johnston Subject: [XCON] Conference-Package ideas All, I understand that the conference event package is currently = being revised for another version and have a couple suggestions that the = authors/list might want to consider for inclusion. I initially included = these in a proposal for a new ID but have been advised (thanks Alan ;-) = that they might be better suited in the base conference package. The = information below all extend the 'user' element form = 'draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package' with the exception of = '' which extends the '' element. =20 conf-role Element =20 =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and provides an explicit role that a participant plays within the main conference/side-bar. The element can hold one of the following values: =20 chairman: The chair of the specified conference. =20 member: A general member of the specified conference. =20 secretary: The secretary of the conference. =20 observer: An observer of the conference. =20 =20 conference-locked Element =20 The element is used to convey to participants that the conference represented by this document is currently locked and can not receive any more participants. The element is not mandatory and holds a boolean value. =20 =20 hand-raised Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and indicates that a user who is currently muted wishes to become active. This element holds a boolean value. =20 =20 member-mute Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01 and conveys to a conference that a particular member is currently muted. It can either hold the token value 'muted' or 'not-muted'. =20 =20 resource-control Element =20 The element extends the element from draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-01. A resource can refer to any media resource e.g. conference. This element determines if a conference participant is in control of the resource by providing a boolean true/false value. This element has two attributes: =20 resource-type: Names the resource under control. =20 resource-uri: Provides an associated URI for the resource under control (e.g. File transfer server). =20 =20 I would appreciate comments from the list/authors to determine if any of = this functionality is deemed necessary for the base conference event = package. If any one would like to see the full document which includes = functionality that was left on the cutting room floor, then let me know. =20 Best Regards, =20 Chris. =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------ Chris Boulton Ubiquity Software =20 Tel : +44 (0) 1633765600 Fax : +44 (0) 1633765601=20 ------------------------------------------------ =20 =20 _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 21 21:06:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA22206 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AC7Rs-0003Bn-5E for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:06:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9M164Xk012253 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quoted-printable Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:27:40 +0300 Message-ID: <2038BCC78B1AD641891A0D1AE133DBB70179730B@esebe019.ntc.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: A comment about draft-ekim-xcon-cpcp-bb-00.txt Thread-Index: AcOZivXIgEUZ0G83RwqY3BL1Eex1Ng== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2003 17:27:41.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6348700:01C3998A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [XCON] A comment about draft-ekim-xcon-cpcp-bb-00.txt Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have recently noticed the posting of the draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ekim-xcon-cpcp-bb-00.txt I don't understand the point of such draft, perhaps the authors can = explain themselves. They are aware of an already proposed solution (link = below) and have been commenting about it on this very mailing list. I know it is free for everyone to write and post internet drafts and a = solution for cpcp has not been nailed down yet, but I and the rest of = the authors of the below mentioned draft do not appreciate the excessive = copying of text and the stealing of ideas from our own draft into a new = draft and claiming it to be novel and original. I'll stop whinging now :) Hisham http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usag= e-00.txt P.S. A version -01 should appear in the archives soon, it's taking a = while. _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 14:02:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09585 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACjmf-0003uu-Ix for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NI254R015050 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACjmf-0003uf-E2 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09535 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACjmd-0005dx-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACjmc-0005du-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACjmc-0003ta-7u; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:02:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACjlg-0003hl-Ls for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09448; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACjle-0005dC-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from magus.nostrum.com ([208.21.192.130] ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACjld-0005cv-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:01 -0400 Received: from dynamicsoft.com (ben@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.nostrum.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9NI0gF8055971; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:00:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bcampbell@dynamicsoft.com) Message-ID: <3F981735.8050605@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:00:21 -0500 From: Ben Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sip@ietf.org, "'sipping@ietf.org'" , "'xcon@ietf.org'" , simple@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [XCON] Softarmor Site Down Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean asked me to forward this on to the various lists: Softarmor.com is down due to a hardware failure. Dean is rushing to fix the problem as I write this. This will affect HTTP and email. _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 15:13:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA13886 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACktL-0008Ej-GA for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NJD3lV031649 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACktL-0008EC-6K for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA13810 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACktK-0006iT-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACktJ-0006iQ-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACktJ-0008Cl-PL; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:13:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACkso-0008A5-H4 for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:12:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA13739; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACksm-0006iC-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:12:28 -0400 Received: from bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net ([66.12.12.130] helo=bdsl.greycouncil.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ACksm-0006hU-00; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:12:28 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9NJBew6001569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:11:40 -0500 Received: (from dwillis@localhost) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9NJBe6Q001567; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:11:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bdsl.greycouncil.com: dwillis set sender to dean.willis@softarmor.com using -f From: Dean Willis To: Ben Campbell Cc: sip@ietf.org, "'sipping@ietf.org'" , "'xcon@ietf.org'" , simple@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3F981735.8050605@dynamicsoft.com> References: <3F981735.8050605@dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1066936299.1538.2.camel@bdsl.greycouncil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:11:39 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [XCON] Re: [Sip] Softarmor Site Down Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, we seem to be back up. Apparently, power supplies have an MTBF of exactly 1 day longer than their warranty, with a very narrow standard deviation around that mean. The new one has 3 fans -- I don't know if that means it will last three times as long, or is three times more likely to fail. -- Dean _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:34:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA26263 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACpty-00071D-EA for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:34:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9O0Y2bl026973 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACpty-00070y-90 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA26254 for ; 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Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:51 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:51 +0300 Received: from esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.58]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:51 +0300 Received: from trebe004.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.232.177]) by esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:50 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [XCON] A comment about draft-ekim-xcon-cpcp-bb-00.txt Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:48 +0300 Message-ID: <481D6FFB3BD60E4CB590F39C59098400023E0ADF@trebe004.europe.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: [XCON] A comment about draft-ekim-xcon-cpcp-bb-00.txt Thread-Index: AcOZxpFxCFaUKGonSHGHsGAvOunFaAAM9eWQ To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 07:04:50.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E273F10:01C399FD] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > However, Mr. Petri Koskelainen advised me that the approach=20 > did not fit for XG's approach,=20 I clearly suggested that it would be better to help with current=20 contributions rather than copy the text from existing drafts and submit = it as your new draft. I cannot see any value in this contribution which just copies text from existing drafts. It is just a direct copy-paste from CPCP-00=20 without detailed schema proposal. This draft does not propose anything new to XCON=20 so I really don't understand the point here.=20 -- Petri _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 24 06:12:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA23572 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACyvM-0002X2-1h for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:12:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9OAC3BO009716 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:12:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ACyvL-0002WY-68 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:12:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA23495 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:54 PM > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : An Extensible Markup Language (XML)=20 > Configuration Access Protocol (XCAP) Usage for Conference=20 > Policy Manipulation > Author(s) : P. Koskelainen, H. Khartabil > Filename : draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2003-10-23 > =09 > This document describes conference policy data elements and the > mechanisms to manipulate them at a server via Conference Policy > Control Protocol (CPCP). Extensible Markup Language (XML) > Configuration Access Protocol (XCAP) is used to implement CPCP. This > document specifies an XML Schema and XCAP application usage that are > needed to implement CPCP. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-xca > p-cpcp-usage-01.txt >=20 > To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to=20 > ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body=20 > of the message. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login=20 > with the username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:31:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15836 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: hisham.khartabil@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8PN-0005mw-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8PM-0005mt-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id h9REVlI26968 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:31:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:31:46 +0200 Received: from esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.58]) by esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:31:46 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [XCON] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:31:42 +0200 Message-ID: <2038BCC78B1AD641891A0D1AE133DBB701797338@esebe019.ntc.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt Thread-Index: AcOaRZiX6/hREe5HTYW1swpc/SRVWACGlxwAAA2hAZA= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2003 14:31:46.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D034A20:01C39C97] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as the authors are concerned, there are no open issues for = discussion in the current requirements draft. All comments previously = received have been accounted for. There is a minor issue about the use of SHOULDs and MAYs in the draft. = We appreciate some comments about the strength of requirements. We will be also asking the WG to adopt this draft as a WG item. Regards, Hisham > -----Original Message----- > From: xcon-admin@ietf.org [mailto:xcon-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext > hisham.khartabil@nokia.com > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:58 AM > To: xcon@ietf.org > Subject: [XCON] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:39 PM > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > > Internet-Drafts directories. > >=20 > >=20 > > Title : Requirements for Conference Policy=20 > > Control Protocol > > Author(s) : P. Koskelainen > > Filename : draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt > > Pages : 15 > > Date : 2003-10-23 > > =09 > > The conference policy server allows clients to manipulate and > > interact with the conference policy. One mechanism to manipulate the > > policy is to use conference policy control protocol (CPCP). This > > document gives the requirements for CPCP. > >=20 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpc p-reqs-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to=20 ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the = message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the = username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html=20 or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-cpcp-reqs-01.txt". =09 NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. =09 =09 Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 09:47:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16728 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8e6-0001b8-HS for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9REl2uS006136 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8e6-0001at-DH for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16705 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8e4-00061h-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8e4-00061e-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8e5-0001a5-90; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AE8dq-0001YY-2U for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16694 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: hisham.khartabil@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8do-00061H-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:44 -0500 Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com ([131.228.20.27]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AE8dM-000614-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:46:18 -0500 Received: from esvir03nok.nokia.com (esvir03nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.35]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id h9REjJI08292 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir03nok.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:19 +0200 Received: from esebh005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.86]) by esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:19 +0200 Received: from esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.58]) by esebh005.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [XCON] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:19 +0200 Message-ID: <2038BCC78B1AD641891A0D1AE133DBB701797339@esebe019.ntc.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt Thread-Index: AcOaSzRbFqmLaeATSDWjniqAB3/2kwCFN4qgAA2/DyA= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2003 14:45:19.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1675930:01C39C98] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The draft has undergone minor changes in trying to meet all the = requirements. There has been one major change from the last version of the draft: The = list of privileges that can be assigned to users in a conference has = been trimmed down considerably. In fact, there is only one left. The main reason for such a change is that, due to the nature of XCAP, = most of the privileges either allow or disallow a user read/write access = to certain parts of the CPCP XML document (eg: who can add users to the = dial-out list. Adding a user to the dial-out list is achieved by XCAP). = It is envisioned that XCAP would provide a solution whereby an XCAP = usage document is accompanied by a privileges usage document (generic = XCAP solution) that gives users certain read/write access to the XCAP = usage document. It is also envisioned that the XCAP privileges usage = document assigns privileges using namespaces. Therefore, you will see = that the CPCP usage XML document was divided into namespaces (eg: = dial-out list in a separate namespace). The privilege usage document = will list the namespaces and the users with read/write access to it. Please feel free to provide input on such proposal. Regards, Hisham > -----Original Message----- > From: xcon-admin@ietf.org [mailto:xcon-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext > hisham.khartabil@nokia.com > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:59 AM > To: xcon@ietf.org > Subject: [XCON] FW: I-D > ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org]On Behalf Of ext > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:54 PM > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > > Internet-Drafts directories. > >=20 > >=20 > > Title : An Extensible Markup Language (XML)=20 > > Configuration Access Protocol (XCAP) Usage for Conference=20 > > Policy Manipulation > > Author(s) : P. Koskelainen, H. Khartabil > > Filename : draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt > > Pages : 36 > > Date : 2003-10-23 > > =09 > > This document describes conference policy data elements and the > > mechanisms to manipulate them at a server via Conference Policy > > Control Protocol (CPCP). Extensible Markup Language (XML) > > Configuration Access Protocol (XCAP) is used to implement CPCP. This > > document specifies an XML Schema and XCAP application usage that are > > needed to implement CPCP. > >=20 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-xca > > p-cpcp-usage-01.txt > >=20 > > To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a=20 > message to=20 > > ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body=20 > > of the message. > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login=20 > > with the username > > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt". > >=20 > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html=20 > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >=20 > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE=20 > > /internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-xcap-cpcp-usage-01.txt". > > =09 > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant=20 > > mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > =09 > > =09 > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 13:52:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16422 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEYwn-00018Q-G0 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SIq570004358 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEYwn-00018D-C8 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16388 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEYwl-0004MM-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEYwk-0004MC-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEYwl-00014p-OC; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:52:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEYwJ-0000yS-7j for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:51:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16365; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEYwG-0004Ld-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:51:32 -0500 Received: from d12lmsgate.de.ibm.com ([194.196.100.234]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEYwG-0004KR-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:51:32 -0500 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by d12lmsgate.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9SIp0fw045604; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:51:00 +0100 Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.9/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id h9SIoxGg276264; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:50:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: sipping@ietf.org, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V65_07292003 July 29, 2003 Message-ID: From: Avshalom Houri Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:50:42 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 28/10/2003 20:50:59, Serialize complete at 28/10/2003 20:50:59 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006783EEC2256DCD_=" Subject: [XCON] New conferencing drafts Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006783EEC2256DCD_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Following conferencing drafts appeared. I wonder what should be now the relationship between the work in SIPPING and XCON regarding conferencing. I had the impression that the work is moving to XCON. Was it a false impression? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-02.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-cc-conferencing-02.txt Thanks Avshalom --=_alternative 006783EEC2256DCD_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Following conferencing drafts appeared. I wonder what should be now the relationship between
the work in SIPPING  and XCON regarding conferencing.
I had the impression that the work is moving to XCON. Was it a false impression?

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-02.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-cc-conferencing-02.txt

Thanks
Avshalom
--=_alternative 006783EEC2256DCD_=-- _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 15:26:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23065 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaPk-0006CL-FG for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SKQ43f023819 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaPk-0006B7-2k for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22894 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaPh-00066u-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaPh-00066o-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaPh-0006A6-Hr; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaP5-00063y-Tt for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22680 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaP4-000659-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com ([199.249.20.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaP3-00064T-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:21 -0500 Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0HNH00CASHSTD7@firewall.wcom.com> for xcon@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with SMTP id <0HNH00A01HP9O4@pmismtp02.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:19:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xs578v3521.mci.com ([166.50.110.23]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HNH009G2HRPZE@pmismtp02.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:19:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:19:00 -0600 From: Alan Johnston X-Sender: Alan.Johnston@pop.mcit.com To: xcon@ietf.org Cc: Adam Roach Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031028141210.02b4d4f8@pop.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [XCON] Agenda Requests for IETF-58 Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , All, We're taking agenda requests for our 2 hour meeting in Minneapolis. Please send Adam and I the following information: - Your name - Topic you would like to present - Length of slot requested - List of related drafts As we get requests, we'll post them on the supplemental WG page: http://www.softarmor.com/xcon/ All requests need to be in by 9am EST Monday 11/3. Thanks, Alan Johnston (co-chair) _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 15:31:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23695 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaUb-0006kW-Gc for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SKV5sL025938 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaUb-0006kH-9g for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23623 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaUa-0006Jj-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaUZ-0006Jg-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaUZ-0006jI-Fh; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:31:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaUI-0006h8-HG for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23608; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaUH-0006JK-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:45 -0500 Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com ([199.249.16.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaUG-0006IM-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:30:44 -0500 Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0HNH005MJI08ZG@firewall.wcom.com>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:24:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with SMTP id <0HNH00701I07XQ@pmismtp01.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:24:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xs578v3521.mci.com ([166.50.110.23]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.7 (built May 7 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HNH007D2I057A@pmismtp01.wcomnet.com>; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:24:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:24:05 -0600 From: Alan Johnston Subject: Re: [XCON] New conferencing drafts X-Sender: Alan.Johnston@pop.mcit.com To: Avshalom Houri , sipping@ietf.org, xcon@ietf.org Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031028142114.02b4dbb0@pop.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Avshalom, Your impression was false. The SIP-specific conferencing work will remain in the SIP and SIPPING WGs - this includes the listed drafts plus the framework document and the definition of the "isfocus" feature tag. All the policy work (media and conference) plus floor control is what will be covered in XCON. Thanks, Alan Johnston XCON co-chair At 08:50 PM 10/28/2003 +0200, Avshalom Houri wrote: >Following conferencing drafts appeared. I wonder what should be now the >relationship between >the work in SIPPING and XCON regarding conferencing. >I had the impression that the work is moving to XCON. Was it a false >impression? > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-conference-package-02.txt > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-cc-conferencing-02.txt > >Thanks >Avshalom _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 08:33:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21671 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFCv8-0004V0-Fo for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UDX2Yx017288 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFCv8-0004Ul-BC for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21648 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFCv7-0003DT-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFCv6-0003DP-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFCv7-0004US-0L; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:33:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFCv5-0004UH-AF for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21643 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFCv4-0003DK-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:58 -0500 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFCv3-0003Ce-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:57 -0500 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.9-20030927/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9UDWLqN059914 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:32:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (from defang@localhost) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.9-20030927/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UDUUmT059773 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:30:30 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: tokyo.ccrle.nec.de: defang set sender to using -f Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by pluto.office (8.12.9/8.12.9+MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id h9UDUTqL059771; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.1.130] (brunner.office [10.1.1.130]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 1D099CBB61; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:54:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:30:28 +0100 From: Marcus Brunner Reply-To: Marcus Brunner To: Alan Johnston , xcon@ietf.org Cc: Adam Roach Subject: Re: [XCON] Agenda Requests for IETF-58 Message-ID: <18077013.1067524228@[10.1.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031028141210.02b4d4f8@pop.mcit.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031028141210.02b4d4f8@pop.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan, and all, I have submited a small draft on issues and requirements for floor control. The main point is that the mechanisms to standardize should be policy free. The draft is in the draft server in a mis-formated version, here is a better one. Would be great to get a 10 minutes slot Kind regards, Marcus --On Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 14:19 -0600 Alan Johnston wrote: > All, > > We're taking agenda requests for our 2 hour meeting in Minneapolis. > Please send Adam and I the following information: > > - Your name > - Topic you would like to present > - Length of slot requested > - List of related drafts > > As we get requests, we'll post them on the supplemental WG page: > > http://www.softarmor.com/xcon/ > > All requests need to be in by 9am EST Monday 11/3. > > Thanks, > Alan Johnston > (co-chair) > > > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon -------------------------------------- Dr. Marcus Brunner Network Laboratories NEC Europe Ltd. E-Mail: brunner@ccrle.nec.de WWW: http://www.ccrle.nec.de/ Phone: +49 (0) 6221 905 11 29 Mobile: +49 (0) 163 275 17 43 personal home page: http://www.brubers.org/marcus _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 14:45:13 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07115 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFIj0-00039m-Iw for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UJisFh012128 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFIj0-00039X-EF for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07039 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFIix-0000xC-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:44:51 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFIfz-0000qP-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:41:47 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFIVZ-0001K8-Od; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFIOj-00083U-Tp for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:23:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05567; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFIOh-0000T2-00; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:23:55 -0500 Received: from bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net ([66.12.12.130] helo=bdsl.greycouncil.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFIOg-0000Si-00; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:23:54 -0500 Received: from txdwillis (bdsl.66.12.12.254.gte.net [66.12.12.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UJNNw5022641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:23:23 -0600 From: "Dean Willis" To: , , , , Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:23:04 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c39f1b$3dc54e20$e1036e3f@txdwillis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [XCON] Maintenance on softarmor web site Thursday 30Oct2003 Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1:30 PM USCST The main server (www.softarmor.com) will be down for the next few hours while I replace the OS. In the interim, if you need web content, it's available at http://kevlar.softarmor.com/ Anybody using the main box as a relay for email will also be affected. Cheers, -- Dean _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 18:51:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20991 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFMZD-0003Hr-Ca for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UNp3ap012629 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFMZD-0003Hc-74 for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20976 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFMZ9-0004wB-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:00 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFMZ9-0004w8-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFMZC-0003HJ-0m; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:51:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFMYJ-0003CI-DE for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20970 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFMYG-0004vt-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:04 -0500 Received: from [63.110.3.100] (helo=mail4.dynamicsoft.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFMYF-0004vB-00 for xcon@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:03 -0500 Received: from DYN-TX-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-tx-exch-001 [63.110.3.8]) by mail4.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UNlw8g025242; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:48:10 -0600 Message-ID: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E86584@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> From: Adam Roach To: "'Alan Johnston'" , xcon@ietf.org Cc: Adam Roach Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:48:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [XCON] REMINDER: Agenda Requests for IETF-58 Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , The agenda requests received so far have been posted on: http://www.softarmor.com/xcon/meets/ietf58/requests.pl If you have requested a timeslot, please double check that it has been posted there. Remember, the cutoff for making timeslot requests is MONDAY. /a _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 01:00:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA00423 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFSKM-0002jd-KF for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9V606GM010503 for xcon-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFSKL-0002j8-FX for xcon-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA00377 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFSKI-0001Wr-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFSKI-0001Wo-00 for xcon-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFSKJ-0002iU-6P; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:00:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFSJR-0002cU-UL for xcon@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:59:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA00358; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFSJO-0001Uo-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:59:06 -0500 Received: from bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net ([66.12.12.130] helo=bdsl.greycouncil.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFSJO-0001Ul-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:59:06 -0500 Received: from softarmor.com (c-24-1-178-197.client.comcast.net [24.1.178.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9V5x2v4007287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:59:03 -0600 Message-ID: <3FA1FA2A.6040003@softarmor.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:59:06 -0600 From: Dean Willis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030925 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sip@ietf.org, sipping@ietf.org, simple@ietf.org, xcon@ietf.org, iptel@ietf.org References: <002201c39f1b$3dc54e20$e1036e3f@txdwillis> In-Reply-To: <002201c39f1b$3dc54e20$e1036e3f@txdwillis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [XCON] Re: [Sip] Maintenance on softarmor web site Thursday 30Oct2003 Sender: xcon-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: xcon-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: xcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Centralized Conferencing List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean Willis wrote: > 1:30 PM USCST > > The main server (www.softarmor.com) will be down for the next few hours > while I replace the OS. > > In the interim, if you need web content, it's available at > http://kevlar.softarmor.com/ > > Anybody using the main box as a relay for email will also be affected. > > Cheers, > > -- > Dean Everything should be back in working order, I think. Maybe. Note that everything has been rekeyed. -- Dean _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail2.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.31 [192.168.4.31]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT3PFN; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:20:02 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail2.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DGH9GU002657 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DGJnTu014084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:19:50 -0500 Received: (from dwillis@localhost) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9DGJnqT014082; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:19:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bdsl.greycouncil.com: dwillis set sender to dean.willis@softarmor.com using -f Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language From: Dean Willis To: Adam Roach Cc: xcon@softarmor.com In-Reply-To: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E864FA@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> References: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E864FA@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1066061989.13722.16.camel@bdsl.greycouncil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:19:49 -0500 On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 23:52, Adam Roach wrote: > Whoops. I obviously forgot that this work had already been started. > For some reason, sometime between Vienna and now, my brain must > have translated "no floor control proposals yet" into "the floor > control work hasn't started yet." Probably my fault -- Tom Hiller and I have been teasing you with a potentially seperate requirements draft specific to CDMA-2000 1XRTT short-data-burst usage. And no, we don't think "Anything text plus sigcomp" is always adequate for this particularly demanding usage. -- Dean X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 To: "@nokia.com'; Adam Roach; pete@tech-know-ware.com; Jonathan Rosenberg; eburger@snowshore.com CC: xcon@softarmor.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:52:22 -0600 Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language From: "Adam Roach" Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Whoops. I obviously forgot that this work had already been started. For some reason, sometime between Vienna and now, my brain must have translated "no floor control proposals yet" into "the floor control work hasn't started yet." Sorry about that. /a > -----Original Message----- > From: petri.koskelainen@nokia.com [mailto:petri.koskelainen@nokia.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:00 > To: adam@dynamicsoft.com; pete@tech-know-ware.com; > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com; eburger@snowshore.com > Cc: xcon@softarmor.com > Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message > definition language > > > > First version of floor control requirements document is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-flo or-control-req-00.txt Comments are welcome.. -- Petri > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Adam Roach [mailto:adam@dynamicsoft.com] > Sent: 11 October, 2003 02:22 > To: 'Pete Cordell'; Jonathan Rosenberg; Eric Burger > Cc: xcon@softarmor.com > Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message > definition language > > > (As chair) > > Thanks for taking some initiative on this issue. However, > I think we're jumping a little too far ahead. > > >From a charter perspective, we have two deliverables on the > topic of floor control: > > 1) Floor Control Protocol Requirements > 2) Floor Control Protocol Specification > > Of course, the requirements need to be nailed down before > the specification is completed. There have been several > microphone, hallway, and e-mail discussions in which people > have suggested various requirements on the floor control > protocol; we need someone to volunteer to compile these > in a document that we can form some consensus around. I > would think that having at least a -00 draft of such > requirements is a necessary first step before we start > discussing syntax and semantics of the actual protocol. > > /a > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@softarmor.com > http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail2.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.31 [192.168.4.31]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT3KA6; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:59:57 -0400 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by mail2.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9B7v7KW002442; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id h9B7xoZ28814; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:59:51 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:59:50 +0300 Received: from esebe015.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.54]) by esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:59:50 +0300 Received: from trebe004.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.232.177]) by esebe015.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:59:50 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:59:49 +0300 Message-ID: <481D6FFB3BD60E4CB590F39C59098400023E0A79@trebe004.europe.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Thread-Index: AcOPhiheoug7OzzYS4SC4+VHqyz6LAARdqow From: petri.koskelainen@nokia.com To: adam@dynamicsoft.com, pete@tech-know-ware.com, jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com, eburger@snowshore.com Cc: xcon@softarmor.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2003 07:59:50.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[A540A250:01C38FCD] First version of floor control requirements document is available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-koskelainen-xcon-floor-control-req-00.txt Comments are welcome.. -- Petri > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Adam Roach [mailto:adam@dynamicsoft.com] > Sent: 11 October, 2003 02:22 > To: 'Pete Cordell'; Jonathan Rosenberg; Eric Burger > Cc: xcon@softarmor.com > Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message > definition language > > > (As chair) > > Thanks for taking some initiative on this issue. However, > I think we're jumping a little too far ahead. > > >From a charter perspective, we have two deliverables on the > topic of floor control: > > 1) Floor Control Protocol Requirements > 2) Floor Control Protocol Specification > > Of course, the requirements need to be nailed down before > the specification is completed. There have been several > microphone, hallway, and e-mail discussions in which people > have suggested various requirements on the floor control > protocol; we need someone to volunteer to compile these > in a document that we can form some consensus around. I > would think that having at least a -00 draft of such > requirements is a necessary first step before we start > discussing syntax and semantics of the actual protocol. > > /a > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@softarmor.com > http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail2.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.31 [192.168.4.31]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT3J2F; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail2.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ANLMKW001015; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ANMcTv019331; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:22:39 -0500 Received: from mail4.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-tx-bapp-001.dfw.dynamicsoft.com [63.110.3.100]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ANMYTt019328 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:22:35 -0500 Received: from DYN-TX-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-tx-exch-001 [63.110.3.8]) by mail4.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ANMIiM000785; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4JSRJRT2>; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: <9BF66EBF6BEFD942915B4D4D45C051F3E864F9@dyn-tx-exch-001.dynamicsoft.com> From: Adam Roach To: "'Pete Cordell'" , Jonathan Rosenberg , Eric Burger Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Cc: xcon@softarmor.com X-BeenThere: xcon@softarmor.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF XCON BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Errors-To: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit (As chair) Thanks for taking some initiative on this issue. However, I think we're jumping a little too far ahead. >>From a charter perspective, we have two deliverables on the topic of floor control: 1) Floor Control Protocol Requirements 2) Floor Control Protocol Specification Of course, the requirements need to be nailed down before the specification is completed. There have been several microphone, hallway, and e-mail discussions in which people have suggested various requirements on the floor control protocol; we need someone to volunteer to compile these in a document that we can form some consensus around. I would think that having at least a -00 draft of such requirements is a necessary first step before we start discussing syntax and semantics of the actual protocol. /a _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@softarmor.com http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail2.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.31 [192.168.4.31]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT3JBS; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:49:55 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail2.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ALl5KW000672; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ALmxTv018950; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:49:02 -0500 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ALmwTt018947 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:48:58 -0500 Received: from host213-122-184-234.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.184.234] helo=tkw) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1A857x-0004CE-00; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:48:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c38f78$76ed0c40$0200000a@tkw> From: "Pete Cordell" To: "Jonathan Rosenberg" , "Eric Burger" References: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E85F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> <3F871860.5060906@dynamicsoft.com> Subject: Re: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:49:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: xcon@softarmor.com X-BeenThere: xcon@softarmor.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF XCON BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Errors-To: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com That was my point - If you don't feel using XML Schema from the off is the right thing to do, use Lumas as an abstract definition and then switch to what ever feels the right thing once you know what you're trying to code up. The tools are there to help you make that transition, or you could do it manually if you prefer. Of course you could invent your own abstract syntax, or you could mandate XML Schema (or maybe RELAX NG) from the start. (Just in case Eric was not understanding what I was saying, the ABNF generation stuff is just doing the handle turning that you could quite easily do manually if you chose to. A bit like you can use ABNF directly or you can run it through yacc and lex to save some of your coding effort depending on your fancy.) Pete. ============================================= Pete Cordell Tech-Know-Ware pete@tech-know-ware.com http://www.tech-know-ware.com +44 1473 635863 ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Rosenberg" To: "Eric Burger" Cc: "Pete Cordell" ; Sent: 10 October 2003 21:36 Subject: Re: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language > Can we please not start out this working group with the never-ending > debate on protocol syntax? I would rather focus on the protocol > semantics and functionality. > > -Jonathan R. > > Eric Burger wrote: > > > I would offer that anything plus sigcomp would have a message size on the order of a hand-coded binary format. > > > > Given that, I would offer an "anything" that was at least text based, so we can work out the protocol without lots and lots and lots of custom tools, and optimize it (sigcomp) later. > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Pete Cordell [mailto:pete@tech-know-ware.com] > >>Sent: Fri, October 10, 2003 6:31 AM > >>To: xcon@softarmor.com > >>Subject: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language > >> > >> > >>Dear All, > >> > >>I've recently joined this this list, but I was looking > >>through the archives > >>and noticed that there was mention that XML might not be the > >>best thing for > >>the floor control protocol and some sort of exercise might be > >>undertaken to > >>look for alternatives. > >> > >>I would like to put forward a candidate for consideration called Lumas > >>(Language for Universal Message Abstraction and Specification). > >> > >>The message definition language is along the lines of C, with > >>ideas stolen > >>from UML, Java, XML plus extras where appropriate. The goal > >>is to have a > >>compact representation that is easy for most regular programmers to > >>understand. For example, you might have: > >> > >>struct my-floor-control { > >> int<0..65535> participant-id as ?; // 'as ?' means > >>'do not tag' > >> Operation operation as ?; > >>}; > >> > >>Union Operation pluggable { > >> void request-floor as reqf; > >> void release-floor as relf; > >>}; > >> > >>A resulting message would be: > >> > >>12 reqf > >> > >>The language is highly extensible. For example in another > >>module you could > >>define: > >> > >>plug > >> union vote { void yes; void no; }; > >>into Operation; > >> > >>which would make the above union above (the pluggable keyword > >>declared it as > >>a site where this was allowed) to be treated as if it was: > >> > >>Union Operation pluggable { > >> void request-floor as reqf; > >> void release-floor as relf; > >> union vote { void yes; void no; }; > >>}; > >> > >>and an encoding would be: > >> > >>12 vote=yes > >> > >>There is more of a summary at: > >> > >> http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/lumas-example.html > >> > >>I have a full specification at: > >> > >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cordell-lumas-01.txt > >> > >>which I am progressing as an individual submission so that it > >>is available > >>to move to standards track if and when someone finds it > >>useful (otherwise I > >>think there is a bit of a chicken and egg type problem with > >>this sort of > >>thing). > >> > >>Currently there is a definition of how to encode messages > >>defined in Lumas > >>using text (as alluded above), but it would be equally > >>possible to define > >>rules for a binary conversion if required (I have notes on > >>this, but the > >>rules might be more extensible than you require). > >> > >>But the real benefit to this group maybe to simply use Lumas as an > >>information set representation language as an aid to evolving > >>the protocol. > >>I'm part way through developing a tool that converts the > >>message set in ABNF > >>(just need to make it a bit prettier!), and intend to do the > >>same for XML > >>Schema. So you could start out using Lumas and then at the > >>last minute, rip > >>all the Lumas out and insert automatically generated ABNF or > >>XML Schema > >>(although you might want to do a few tweaks to the output I > >>guess - target > >>namespace declarations etc). (In theory the same approach > >>could get it to > >>draw ASCII art TLV type pictures, but I'm not quite sure how > >>that would work > >>at the moment.) > >> > >>I have some free tools such as a validator and parsers for C > >>and Perl at: > >> > >> http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/ > >> > >>I intend to add the ABNF generator and then the XML Schema > >>generator to this > >>group soon. I also have a Lumas/C binding compiler that I'm > >>working on. > >> > >>I hope this can be of help to you. All the best, > >> > >>Pete. > >> > >>============================================= > >>Pete Cordell > >>Tech-Know-Ware > >>pete@tech-know-ware.com > >>http://www.tech-know-ware.com > >>+44 1473 635863 > >>============================================= > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>XCON mailing list > >>XCON@softarmor.com > >>http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > XCON mailing list > > XCON@softarmor.com > > http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > > > > -- > Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza > Chief Technology Officer Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 > dynamicsoft > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 > http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@softarmor.com http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail1.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.30 [192.168.4.30]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT325H; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:37:59 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail1.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AKYmFh026766; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AKasTv018535; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:36:55 -0500 Received: from mail3.dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.44.69]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AKarTt018532 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:36:53 -0500 Received: from dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.46.126]) by mail3.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9AKatUg029160; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F871860.5060906@dynamicsoft.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:36:48 -0400 From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language References: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E85F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E85F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xcon@softarmor.com X-BeenThere: xcon@softarmor.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF XCON BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Errors-To: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Can we please not start out this working group with the never-ending debate on protocol syntax? I would rather focus on the protocol semantics and functionality. -Jonathan R. Eric Burger wrote: > I would offer that anything plus sigcomp would have a message size on the order of a hand-coded binary format. > > Given that, I would offer an "anything" that was at least text based, so we can work out the protocol without lots and lots and lots of custom tools, and optimize it (sigcomp) later. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Pete Cordell [mailto:pete@tech-know-ware.com] >>Sent: Fri, October 10, 2003 6:31 AM >>To: xcon@softarmor.com >>Subject: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language >> >> >>Dear All, >> >>I've recently joined this this list, but I was looking >>through the archives >>and noticed that there was mention that XML might not be the >>best thing for >>the floor control protocol and some sort of exercise might be >>undertaken to >>look for alternatives. >> >>I would like to put forward a candidate for consideration called Lumas >>(Language for Universal Message Abstraction and Specification). >> >>The message definition language is along the lines of C, with >>ideas stolen >>from UML, Java, XML plus extras where appropriate. The goal >>is to have a >>compact representation that is easy for most regular programmers to >>understand. For example, you might have: >> >>struct my-floor-control { >> int<0..65535> participant-id as ?; // 'as ?' means >>'do not tag' >> Operation operation as ?; >>}; >> >>Union Operation pluggable { >> void request-floor as reqf; >> void release-floor as relf; >>}; >> >>A resulting message would be: >> >>12 reqf >> >>The language is highly extensible. For example in another >>module you could >>define: >> >>plug >> union vote { void yes; void no; }; >>into Operation; >> >>which would make the above union above (the pluggable keyword >>declared it as >>a site where this was allowed) to be treated as if it was: >> >>Union Operation pluggable { >> void request-floor as reqf; >> void release-floor as relf; >> union vote { void yes; void no; }; >>}; >> >>and an encoding would be: >> >>12 vote=yes >> >>There is more of a summary at: >> >> http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/lumas-example.html >> >>I have a full specification at: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cordell-lumas-01.txt >> >>which I am progressing as an individual submission so that it >>is available >>to move to standards track if and when someone finds it >>useful (otherwise I >>think there is a bit of a chicken and egg type problem with >>this sort of >>thing). >> >>Currently there is a definition of how to encode messages >>defined in Lumas >>using text (as alluded above), but it would be equally >>possible to define >>rules for a binary conversion if required (I have notes on >>this, but the >>rules might be more extensible than you require). >> >>But the real benefit to this group maybe to simply use Lumas as an >>information set representation language as an aid to evolving >>the protocol. >>I'm part way through developing a tool that converts the >>message set in ABNF >>(just need to make it a bit prettier!), and intend to do the >>same for XML >>Schema. So you could start out using Lumas and then at the >>last minute, rip >>all the Lumas out and insert automatically generated ABNF or >>XML Schema >>(although you might want to do a few tweaks to the output I >>guess - target >>namespace declarations etc). (In theory the same approach >>could get it to >>draw ASCII art TLV type pictures, but I'm not quite sure how >>that would work >>at the moment.) >> >>I have some free tools such as a validator and parsers for C >>and Perl at: >> >> http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/ >> >>I intend to add the ABNF generator and then the XML Schema >>generator to this >>group soon. I also have a Lumas/C binding compiler that I'm >>working on. >> >>I hope this can be of help to you. All the best, >> >>Pete. >> >>============================================= >>Pete Cordell >>Tech-Know-Ware >>pete@tech-know-ware.com >>http://www.tech-know-ware.com >>+44 1473 635863 >>============================================= >> >>_______________________________________________ >>XCON mailing list >>XCON@softarmor.com >>http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@softarmor.com > http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Chief Technology Officer Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 dynamicsoft jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@softarmor.com http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail2.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.31 [192.168.4.31]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT32R5; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:17:12 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail2.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AJELKW029800; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AJF6Tv018026; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:15:07 -0500 Received: from webshield.office.snowshore.com (goalie.snowshore.com [216.57.133.4]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9AJF2Tt018023 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:15:03 -0500 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 23611; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Subject: RE: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E85F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language Thread-Index: AcOPGlVI61QcjNDYQCW2ZVVxyLrt/gASEKNw From: "Eric Burger" To: "Pete Cordell" , xcon@softarmor.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bdsl.greycouncil.com id h9AJF2Tt018023 X-BeenThere: xcon@softarmor.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF XCON BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Errors-To: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com I would offer that anything plus sigcomp would have a message size on the order of a hand-coded binary format. Given that, I would offer an "anything" that was at least text based, so we can work out the protocol without lots and lots and lots of custom tools, and optimize it (sigcomp) later. > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Cordell [mailto:pete@tech-know-ware.com] > Sent: Fri, October 10, 2003 6:31 AM > To: xcon@softarmor.com > Subject: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language > > > Dear All, > > I've recently joined this this list, but I was looking > through the archives > and noticed that there was mention that XML might not be the > best thing for > the floor control protocol and some sort of exercise might be > undertaken to > look for alternatives. > > I would like to put forward a candidate for consideration called Lumas > (Language for Universal Message Abstraction and Specification). > > The message definition language is along the lines of C, with > ideas stolen > from UML, Java, XML plus extras where appropriate. The goal > is to have a > compact representation that is easy for most regular programmers to > understand. For example, you might have: > > struct my-floor-control { > int<0..65535> participant-id as ?; // 'as ?' means > 'do not tag' > Operation operation as ?; > }; > > Union Operation pluggable { > void request-floor as reqf; > void release-floor as relf; > }; > > A resulting message would be: > > 12 reqf > > The language is highly extensible. For example in another > module you could > define: > > plug > union vote { void yes; void no; }; > into Operation; > > which would make the above union above (the pluggable keyword > declared it as > a site where this was allowed) to be treated as if it was: > > Union Operation pluggable { > void request-floor as reqf; > void release-floor as relf; > union vote { void yes; void no; }; > }; > > and an encoding would be: > > 12 vote=yes > > There is more of a summary at: > > http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/lumas-example.html > > I have a full specification at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cordell-lumas-01.txt > > which I am progressing as an individual submission so that it > is available > to move to standards track if and when someone finds it > useful (otherwise I > think there is a bit of a chicken and egg type problem with > this sort of > thing). > > Currently there is a definition of how to encode messages > defined in Lumas > using text (as alluded above), but it would be equally > possible to define > rules for a binary conversion if required (I have notes on > this, but the > rules might be more extensible than you require). > > But the real benefit to this group maybe to simply use Lumas as an > information set representation language as an aid to evolving > the protocol. > I'm part way through developing a tool that converts the > message set in ABNF > (just need to make it a bit prettier!), and intend to do the > same for XML > Schema. So you could start out using Lumas and then at the > last minute, rip > all the Lumas out and insert automatically generated ABNF or > XML Schema > (although you might want to do a few tweaks to the output I > guess - target > namespace declarations etc). (In theory the same approach > could get it to > draw ASCII art TLV type pictures, but I'm not quite sure how > that would work > at the moment.) > > I have some free tools such as a validator and parsers for C > and Perl at: > > http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/ > > I intend to add the ABNF generator and then the XML Schema > generator to this > group soon. I also have a Lumas/C binding compiler that I'm > working on. > > I hope this can be of help to you. All the best, > > Pete. > > ============================================= > Pete Cordell > Tech-Know-Ware > pete@tech-know-ware.com > http://www.tech-know-ware.com > +44 1473 635863 > ============================================= > > _______________________________________________ > XCON mailing list > XCON@softarmor.com > http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon > > _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@softarmor.com http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail1.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.30 [192.168.4.30]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPT3HD7; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:31:36 -0400 Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.66.12.12.130.gte.net [66.12.12.130]) by mail1.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AASQFh023962; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bdsl.greycouncil.com (bdsl.greycouncil.com [127.0.0.1]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AAUTTv015489; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:30:31 -0500 Received: from einsteinium.btinternet.com (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by bdsl.greycouncil.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9AAUMTt015477 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:30:27 -0500 Received: from dial81-135-30-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.30.179] helo=tkw) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 1A7uWw-00023H-00 for xcon@softarmor.com; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:29:54 +0100 Message-ID: <009201c38f19$a0cf4b40$0200000a@tkw> From: "Pete Cordell" To: xcon@softarmor.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:31:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [XCON] Candidate floor control message definition language X-BeenThere: xcon@softarmor.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF XCON BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Errors-To: xcon-bounces@softarmor.com Dear All, I've recently joined this this list, but I was looking through the archives and noticed that there was mention that XML might not be the best thing for the floor control protocol and some sort of exercise might be undertaken to look for alternatives. I would like to put forward a candidate for consideration called Lumas (Language for Universal Message Abstraction and Specification). The message definition language is along the lines of C, with ideas stolen from UML, Java, XML plus extras where appropriate. The goal is to have a compact representation that is easy for most regular programmers to understand. For example, you might have: struct my-floor-control { int<0..65535> participant-id as ?; // 'as ?' means 'do not tag' Operation operation as ?; }; Union Operation pluggable { void request-floor as reqf; void release-floor as relf; }; A resulting message would be: 12 reqf The language is highly extensible. For example in another module you could define: plug union vote { void yes; void no; }; into Operation; which would make the above union above (the pluggable keyword declared it as a site where this was allowed) to be treated as if it was: Union Operation pluggable { void request-floor as reqf; void release-floor as relf; union vote { void yes; void no; }; }; and an encoding would be: 12 vote=yes There is more of a summary at: http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/lumas-example.html I have a full specification at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cordell-lumas-01.txt which I am progressing as an individual submission so that it is available to move to standards track if and when someone finds it useful (otherwise I think there is a bit of a chicken and egg type problem with this sort of thing). Currently there is a definition of how to encode messages defined in Lumas using text (as alluded above), but it would be equally possible to define rules for a binary conversion if required (I have notes on this, but the rules might be more extensible than you require). But the real benefit to this group maybe to simply use Lumas as an information set representation language as an aid to evolving the protocol. I'm part way through developing a tool that converts the message set in ABNF (just need to make it a bit prettier!), and intend to do the same for XML Schema. So you could start out using Lumas and then at the last minute, rip all the Lumas out and insert automatically generated ABNF or XML Schema (although you might want to do a few tweaks to the output I guess - target namespace declarations etc). (In theory the same approach could get it to draw ASCII art TLV type pictures, but I'm not quite sure how that would work at the moment.) I have some free tools such as a validator and parsers for C and Perl at: http://www.tech-know-ware.com/lumas/ I intend to add the ABNF generator and then the XML Schema generator to this group soon. I also have a Lumas/C binding compiler that I'm working on. I hope this can be of help to you. All the best, Pete. ============================================= Pete Cordell Tech-Know-Ware pete@tech-know-ware.com http://www.tech-know-ware.com +44 1473 635863 ============================================= _______________________________________________ XCON mailing list XCON@softarmor.com http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from mail1.dynamicsoft.com (192.168.4.30 [192.168.4.30]) by DYN-EXCH-01.dynamicsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4JPTN8VR; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:53:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by mail1.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97JoE2V009052 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19561; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200310071953.PAA19561@ietf.org> From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce: ;" Cc: alan.johnston@mci.com, adam@dynamicsoft.com, xcon@softarmor.com Subject: WG Action: Centralized Conferencing (xcon) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:53:05 -0400 Sender: dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit A new IETF working group has been formed in the Transport Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Centralized Conferencing (xcon) ------------------------------- Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): Adam Roach Alan Johnston Transport Area Director(s): Allison Mankin Jon Peterson Transport Area Advisor: Allison Mankin Mailing Lists: General Discussion: xcon@softarmor.com To Subscribe: http://www.softarmor.com/mailman/listinfo/xcon Archive: http://www.softarmor.com/pipermail/xcon Description of Working Group: The focus of this working group is to develop a standardized suite of protocols for tightly-coupled multimedia conferences, where strong security and authorization requirements are integral to the solution. Tightly-coupled conferences have a central point of control and authorization (known as a focus) so they can enforce specific media and membership relationships, and provide an accurate roster of participants. The media mixing or combining function of a tightly-coupled conference need not be performed centrally, however. The scope of this effort is intentionally more narrow than previous attempts to standardize conferencing (e.g. centralized control), and is intended to enable interoperability in a commercial environment which already has a number of non-standard implementations using some of the protocols. Privacy, security, and authorization mechanisms are integral to the solution generated by the working group. This includes allowing participants to be invisible to all but the conference owner, or to be visible but participate anonymously with respect to some or all of the other participants. Authorization rules allow for participants and non-participants to have roles (ex: speaker, moderator, owner), and to be otherwise authorized to perform membership and media manipulation for or on behalf of other participants. In order to preserve these properties, the protocols used will require implementation of channel security and authentication services. Due to the centralized architecture of the WG, XCON's mechanisms will place requirements on the signaling protocol used between the focus and the participants. At a high level, the signaling protocol must be able to establish, tear down, modify, and perform call control operations on multimedia streams, including voice, video, and instant messaging, in both a centralized and distributed mixing architecture. SIP will be the reference session signaling protocol used for examples; however, none of the XCON solutions themselves will be signaling protocols, nor will XCON extend existing signaling protocols. Other signaling protocols than SIP may be used between the focus and participants, including non-IETF protocols, but the requirements and possible extensions needed for other signaling protocols to utilize the full functionality of the XCON architecture is outside the scope of XCON. The deliverables for the group will be: - A mechanism for membership and authorization control - A mechanism to manipulate and describe media "mixing" or "topology" for multiple media types (audio, video, text) - A mechanism for notification of conference related events/changes (for example a floor change) - A basic floor control protocol The initial set of protocols will be developed for use in unicast media conferences. The working group will perform a second round of work to enhance the set of protocols as necessary for use with multicast media after their initial publication. The following items are specifically out-of-scope: - Voting - Fully distributed conferences - Loosely-coupled conferences (no central point of control) - Far-end device control - Protocol used between the conference controller and the mixer(s) - Capabilities negotiation of the mixer(s) - Master-slave cascaded conferences The working group will coordinate closely with the SIPPING and MMUSIC working groups. In addition the working group will cooperate with other groups as needed, including SIP, MSEC, AVT, and the W3C SMIL working groups. In addition, the working group will consider a number of existing drafts as input to the working group. Goals and Milestones: Oct 2003 Submit Requirements for Membership Manipulation for publication as Informational Oct 2003 Submit Requirements for Basic Floor Control for publication as Informational Nov 2003 Submit Conferencing Scenarios document for publication as Informational Nov 2003 Submit Use Cases for Media Topology Control for publication as Informational Dec 2003 Submit Requirements for Media Topology Control for publication as Informational Feb 2004 Submit Basic Floor Control Protocol for publication as PS Mar 2004 Submit Notification Event package extension for conference related events for publication as PS May 2004 Submit Membership Manipulation Protocol for publication as PS Jul 2004 Submit Protocol for Media Topology Control for publication as PS