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Things went fairly smooth, but one thing that caused problems was that there are links for rfc7991bis.rnc that actually go to https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/rfc7991bis.rnc. I naively tried to just download that with "save link as" from my browser, but that didn't give me the actual file, just a github page including the actual file. It took me quite a while to figure out what the resulting error messages meant, and what had happened. I no longer remember where I originally found such a link, but I have found one on https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas, in the Schemas section. Anyway, if you put a link on a filename, make it so that it works for direct downloading. Everything else is highly confusing. If you want to link to the relevant github page, please add a separate link making clear that this link doesn't link to the actual file. Many thanks in advance. Regards, Martin. 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Mar 2022, at 07:24, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst = wrote: >=20 > Dear XML2RFC experts, >=20 > I just started recently with a new ID using xml2rfc, after a long = hiatus. Things went fairly smooth, but one thing that caused problems = was that there are links for rfc7991bis.rnc that actually go to > = https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/rfc= 7991bis.rnc. I naively tried to just download that with "save link as" = from my browser, but that didn't give me the actual file, just a github = page including the actual file. It took me quite a while to figure out = what the resulting error messages meant, and what had happened. >=20 > I no longer remember where I originally found such a link, but I have = found one on https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas, in the = Schemas section. >=20 > Anyway, if you put a link on a filename, make it so that it works for = direct downloading. Everything else is highly confusing. If you want to = link to the relevant github page, please add a separate link making = clear that this link doesn't link to the actual file. Many thanks in = advance. This is also very confusing for me. The authoritative RFCXMLv3 grammar is at https://github.com/ietf-tools/xml2rfc/blob/main/xml2rfc/data/v3.rnc = (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ietf-tools/xml2rfc/main/xml2rfc/data/v3= .rnc is the raw version of that.) This appears to be a precursor to the one at = rfcxml-templates-and-schemas, which has less indentation and more = comment text. I also find a version of the v3.rnc that includes grammar for = xi:xinclude, which is needed for some tools if you use that feature. The name rfc7991bis.rnc also seems to relate to various other = activities. There is an expired draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-rfc7991bis-03 =E2=80=A6 which points to the xml2rfc-dev mailing list as its locus of = discussion. While there is no repo information on that draft or its datatracker = entry, there is a GitHub repo at https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis =E2=80=A6 which appears to have recent activity. This includes a = https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/xml2rfc= v3.rng =E2=80=A6 which is used in the accompanying Makefile to create an = xml2rfcv3.rnc, as well as an annotated RNG from text from the I-D in = that directory. I don=E2=80=99t find documentation as to what the intentions with these = various copies and versions is, and whether the naming of the files has = any relation to those. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 1 23:41:16 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1C3A1300 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:41:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1krLFHCeYR6h for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 354233A12FD for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4K7mJL6XN8zDCdS; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 08:41:06 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <3BFE3BFC-41AE-430C-9A7A-81A82765C311@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 08:41:06 +0100 Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62F93978-B3A2-4E9E-A52B-753B3332484F@tzi.org> References: <7f5b1796-f986-c2e7-85d8-de1bfbab7b7f@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <3BFE3BFC-41AE-430C-9A7A-81A82765C311@tzi.org> To: =?utf-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 07:41:15 -0000 On 2. Mar 2022, at 08:16, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t find documentation as to what the intentions with = these various copies and versions is, and whether the naming of the = files has any relation to those. Further investigation shows that iab-xmlml2rfc-v3-bis, apart from some = unnecessary reorderings, has a few sorely needed fixes: allows blockquote in dd allows aside in li allows country after postalLine (but it doesn=E2=80=99t address e.g. the weirdness [1]) plus a bizarre change: does not allow list in t (!?), so list is now an orphan Unfortunately, these fixes stay irrelevant to I-D authoring until they = also are reflected in v3.rnc in xml2rfc. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [1]: as addressed in http://tzi.org/~cabo/contact-hack.sh From nobody Wed Mar 2 00:36:04 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946CC3A1399 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rAowMZBUO9Im for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 074EF3A1366 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0094396AC8; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b-Aqfjb-OaMK; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73DDA4396AC0; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:35:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jay Daley Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 21:35:46 +1300 Message-Id: References: <7f5b1796-f986-c2e7-85d8-de1bfbab7b7f@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <7f5b1796-f986-c2e7-85d8-de1bfbab7b7f@it.aoyama.ac.jp> To: =?utf-8?Q?"Martin_J._D=C3=BCrst"?= X-Mailer: iPad Mail (19D52) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:36:03 -0000 Hi Martin That should be possible. I believe it means issuing a release of the templa= tes and then linking to the latest release of each file. I=E2=80=99ll ask o= ne of the devs to help sort that and get authors.ietf.org updated. Jay --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director=20 exec-director@ietf.org > On 2/03/2022, at 7:24 PM, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wr= ote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFDear XML2RFC experts, >=20 > I just started recently with a new ID using xml2rfc, after a long hiatus. T= hings went fairly smooth, but one thing that caused problems was that there a= re links for rfc7991bis.rnc that actually go to > https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/rfc= 7991bis.rnc. I naively tried to just download that with "save link as" from m= y browser, but that didn't give me the actual file, just a github page inclu= ding the actual file. It took me quite a while to figure out what the result= ing error messages meant, and what had happened. >=20 > I no longer remember where I originally found such a link, but I have foun= d one on https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas, in the Schemas s= ection. >=20 > Anyway, if you put a link on a filename, make it so that it works for dire= ct downloading. Everything else is highly confusing. If you want to link to t= he relevant github page, please add a separate link making clear that this l= ink doesn't link to the actual file. Many thanks in advance. >=20 > Regards, Martin. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >=20 From nobody Wed Mar 2 00:54:48 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686023A07F2 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lr1BJ5BS-LZY for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B70E3A07F7 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D053B4396ACB; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E_SKKeSaNhio; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E4BD4396AC6; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54:40 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jay Daley Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 21:54:36 +1300 Message-Id: <48A75CA5-CC3B-446D-9FF7-A766BAFF30F6@ietf.org> References: <3BFE3BFC-41AE-430C-9A7A-81A82765C311@tzi.org> Cc: =?utf-8?Q?"Martin_J._D=C3=BCrst"?= , xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3BFE3BFC-41AE-430C-9A7A-81A82765C311@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: iPad Mail (19D52) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:54:46 -0000 > On 2/03/2022, at 8:16 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 2. Mar 2022, at 07:24, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: >>=20 >> Dear XML2RFC experts, >>=20 >> I just started recently with a new ID using xml2rfc, after a long hiatus.= Things went fairly smooth, but one thing that caused problems was that ther= e are links for rfc7991bis.rnc that actually go to >> https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/rf= c7991bis.rnc. I naively tried to just download that with "save link as" from= my browser, but that didn't give me the actual file, just a github page inc= luding the actual file. It took me quite a while to figure out what the resu= lting error messages meant, and what had happened. >>=20 >> I no longer remember where I originally found such a link, but I have fou= nd one on https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas, in the Schemas s= ection. >>=20 >> Anyway, if you put a link on a filename, make it so that it works for dir= ect downloading. Everything else is highly confusing. If you want to link to= the relevant github page, please add a separate link making clear that this= link doesn't link to the actual file. Many thanks in advance. >=20 > This is also very confusing for me. I believe this was explained previously but I=E2=80=99ve lost track of what l= ist so here=E2=80=99s another explanation - the intent is to separate out th= e authoritative grammar from xml2rfc to support that grammar being used by o= ther tools. For example, by schema-aware XML editors. The change managemen= t process should now be that changes are agreed by the xml-sg-cmt (later the= RSWG/RSAB) and then the grammar is updated in the templates repo and that f= iles is then used in xml2rfc. >=20 > The authoritative RFCXMLv3 grammar is at >=20 > https://github.com/ietf-tools/xml2rfc/blob/main/xml2rfc/data/v3.rnc > (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ietf-tools/xml2rfc/main/xml2rfc/data/v3= .rnc is the raw version of that.) After authors.ietf.org goes live, that should no longer be the authoritative= version, it should be a copy of the authoritative version. >=20 > This appears to be a precursor to the one at rfcxml-templates-and-schemas,= which has less indentation and more comment text. Correct - the same but more readable. > I also find a version of the v3.rnc that includes grammar for xi:xinclude,= which is needed for some tools if you use that feature. You will unfortunately find all sorts of versions of the grammar that do not= appear to be documented or under any change control. If you find some docu= mentation on them then please point it out. Also, what tools out there cannot work with separate XML namespaces (the nor= mal way to enable use of xi:include)? >=20 > The name rfc7991bis.rnc also seems to relate to various other activities. This has been done to address the issue of stable vs changing grammar files.= The v3.rnc you identified above has changed multiple times since RFC 7991 w= ith limited visibility of those changes. In future the grammars are to be n= amed after the RFCs that document them and bis is used here to indicate a gr= ammar that deviates from the standard and is still in a state of flux. > There is an expired draft at: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-rfc7991bis-03 >=20 > =E2=80=A6 which points to the xml2rfc-dev mailing list as its locus of dis= cussion. >=20 > While there is no repo information on that draft or its datatracker entry,= there is a GitHub repo at >=20 > https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis >=20 > =E2=80=A6 which appears to have recent activity. >=20 > This includes a >=20 > https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/xml2rfc= v3.rng >=20 > =E2=80=A6 which is used in the accompanying Makefile to create an xml2rfcv= 3.rnc, as well as an annotated RNG from text from the I-D in that directory.= >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t find documentation as to what the intentions with these va= rious copies and versions is, and whether the naming of the files has any re= lation to those. That repo was created last year (or maybe 2020) in order to address this iss= ue of new releases of xml2rfc including new versions of the grammar all call= ed v3.rnc. It basically recreates the version history of that file in a rep= o. =20 The activity that you see isthe Temporary RFC Series PM (John Levine) buildi= ng a new grammar that includes all the changes made since RFC 7991 that the x= ml-sg-cmt have agreed should stay and some additional changes they have made= . John has kept the community up to date on these and solicited feedback. T= hat new grammar will of course need to be in a draft and hence rfc7991bis. --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director=20 exec-director@ietf.org > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From nobody Wed Mar 2 04:31:57 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B963A1347 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 04:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYBqhQ4I9Q_5 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 04:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 075A83A134E for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 04:31:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1646224308; bh=wxeOoiII6JsmdA9aEVVaIr+K3vznYeDbiXm/XoZjfvc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=HLcf1omrXVms5mm6cHHOGn7Qnrv8Ts64y/uistdQUnazWtfTj0VKlBkLhNQy9nI3k jlmALhJnTV0dqjnCBhF2OV5PLP8Biy6yC2LfSCaISUzjLM1VDj64XWTCNM7PoX9gIM KFm4AINJq9R75CDmnzj5W4uv0BUNlXW0vmNsk2YQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([84.171.157.35]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MYNJg-1nkkVC001q-00VMGX for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2022 13:31:48 +0100 Message-ID: <220da81d-33fc-52fa-600c-436f8e9de14f@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <3BFE3BFC-41AE-430C-9A7A-81A82765C311@tzi.org> <48A75CA5-CC3B-446D-9FF7-A766BAFF30F6@ietf.org> From: Julian Reschke In-Reply-To: <48A75CA5-CC3B-446D-9FF7-A766BAFF30F6@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kCT3IaCTUTqyAQEDvQ0y1HERlgHWvNKU0LsJCFh0Qu1iOaJ4O/h auwSiKKqm0llHiwx4xFWuSrorVNa7HCAHzHAR29UQT1yjxiARk2/eId0QO6q8J3M+GPSHgL wom859VEgaV9L1nLNqRw6Efyp10+rOZ3oZ22par3kxTXFRhqw9iIdMLlQVhC7G9FBhfhD0M p8z6nis9oJk/PjhjrCcNw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:aRupW4iobOM=:2HCKSCFUPsyYSl9/e9YXnz W/PO0v88zQ4iDDGWtbNP4fPOGFiOqFoU1fzgNUOm/6BDIEFLiVPGl+y7DPEPujdToPGXizr1y psDa05MzWCkr5E3DTT8CTedDpoLaCvLdbpDUrRAg9JZBvuCowpSEQZkd+FyeLZGHMwoqtZGio i/QyivHQHOolyrPiCK9SnU3q3uRNtGUym6ho5ZGMmqeeShsi4r3C/ah0eHXSEqjQPHNt7XtFS jG3qQmD8XhJC/LeeaCoUtepGxwirqZBNiiLO1b/DaOKGR+JG2a+VrC84G0mH98c9q0xFoclcS WvAJ2QFIBT2nfHLxsahZ/ljMJb8XtCnHGt7SIWUMSzrKkSL7ctu8OIr/dOtuOVD3xqvsedW6t CU5R4NI0s4CzvY+Pbpz8QJw4BbEL09likkAU6oG58CLLUD49A4Tb44GMGTr4FO9U85ytxCiXH v9pcq7Dds2fjbBf9RlENOFrpMO5BBqpy8dZiwZfpWLPn9X2Uz9ByZBt+jXgtyh7tvjNPaOvE2 TxmL5fXIWVmOclXI8crbRx2n83Ld5owpNQK/2uxi2SV1Rp4q54KnEc/s9UhaHIhVndkhhZF4w uO0amXMb4yTw3bTd13tOPWnKOI7A3oH1Ie0HpYCckB9RxSxJqdWJPL7QUyiSIQ0VOauLVfKiZ ftApx0z5O+/Awcx3Yx8acEExGiUZT/6phGpIsLDrAQNifc7+TXBdeury4rE7g7BRfBfYg4HML gu6ukcAvMWsZkZXqCwNEakz3g/NVOeO+pAViEJ9wBCoyzwGRqzLD/65uYZ11MM7y2jeLwe4kp cnFXtWIE6Lc3O2UwmJCQG5cI/Mt/aCnYEEmzoBxlqs2DZqCefdo/vAbssTVAHr+8M1orgKrbk ybnzpNrQkLqDCx0qtKnN62LqLy3OIre0wJF3RvOgox2vKdX5gVnt6j0/eqmmE49W7qobZIFxw dZ4rQWwLFMdGKK4eex9XfMacro0d93LA65ILY/4CVXmn435BskVuuMOptnjhi7qSD1LQG7VDO yIia35DVLUABjNE5PVB6KikF3tx0rhNX7ziMGxHoAN4cM6ad8DIuX9/rwJ5c1MxGu758P3CYx uOR41onwz0x504= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 12:31:55 -0000 Am 02.03.2022 um 09:54 schrieb Jay Daley: > ... > That repo was created last year (or maybe 2020) in order to addres= s this issue of new releases of xml2rfc including new versions of the grammar all called v3.rnc. It basically recreates the version history of that file in a repo. 2016. > ... Best regards, Julian From nobody Wed Mar 2 10:33:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F23A0B69 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.862 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.862 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=N0vTGpkR; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=aGnmDCqH Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YGp8m5-pqLKU for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87DE83A0BB0 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78549 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2022 18:32:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=132d2.621fb853.k2203; bh=inZYE9+9n653NbhwQAW13zCfJ5JI3G/s5vepBFeaocg=; b=N0vTGpkRoFhmARYm/3Gfma641fY9wRWSbaC6Ye2OnJs/HrK0oSb5k9Ic3svdqUg7U8EvUiWEq+s5DA1u3UlZPxvfqCBqbweqklOGrGhrhgobw3PvoBGneIBCk9yWObIT1r3qEHgDAM01ouZKMD4aIfHOD6AOF0vjfJ4FGlExEGoaLZ9CVZQUiohRkjAUAHfHNhKfUCddkYNtur8WM4j01kYAINZGK0VPbtX86+0n79OUF4vSSzuG7TiB/3JGrTqynU70/EvhxJ7Uexvbe4kH4bpRYPMZqZ5Tb9KiFV4Xp2sTf06pwVZwH1ClXhtPZIO32dgK3cd8j0N1PmZkiNYQmQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=132d2.621fb853.k2203; bh=inZYE9+9n653NbhwQAW13zCfJ5JI3G/s5vepBFeaocg=; b=aGnmDCqHT/X9MnpHSCdjoqWBGKM9kFrFxQlEFXnZJJtwO2V6RuA/bTmGEBOsYtrui5PLuwlyIVX8r4aKGOBwvSiLaxfFEOSSkr1HRaRhNvQeLfi11rv6TtbhIzF3k9hTfeCUC1nlDmArX6TqEr365B6dVvy4NPwzZepOUBnrXoJ610ygL9hZk4HNqoFot3h8SmPV54fvLFe+slIL37NQumGOuhYqxEyMDyx2yaoIRrLvRrCSaSstFm8S/H1kupvOFW709xlUAZXhlc1MFDeZBH8snIqsaSezNJVqRnH9w54GQxtuER8VI2brbbVjXHy+RJ0VTJqd62HPBHBMBpZhJQ== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 02 Mar 2022 18:32:51 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2C7BB385EAAB; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:32:49 -0500 (EST) Date: 2 Mar 2022 13:32:49 -0500 Message-Id: <20220302183250.2C7BB385EAAB@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <62F93978-B3A2-4E9E-A52B-753B3332484F@tzi.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 18:33:23 -0000 It appears that Carsten Bormann said: >allows blockquote in dd >allows aside in li >allows country after postalLine > >(but it doesn’t address e.g. the weirdness [1]) > >plus a bizarre change: > >does not allow list in t (!?), so list is now an orphan Yeah, I took it out because is deprecated and has never appeared in an RFC. There was an earlier argument in which it was added to