From mamille2@cisco.com Tue Jun 4 14:56:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2AC21F905F for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHujfP2tAmhH for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D421F8B21 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8357; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1370383002; x=1371592602; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=Mf20X9MWiQrPTAWlwl0HQtRkFGTGf46KMDGL+rmpnKY=; b=dKWmlSN3pEVf6LPPRN8yFzrvw0r3oqL2wCveLVYPSW88wZYldZCVmbSP nhTn8nyLrhlk/upnTvEHdQfepzQ9VZyvbFlgVDcPOffePp6e1BS8/2JhL FmuKW89zoA0254UaogUz9JDdGV+cmgSDxnEikZtVNNDMUHoyu1Yhi0hG0 0=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4136 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8FABlirlGtJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABRCYMJML8pfRZ0giMBAQEDAQEBAWsQCwIBGQMBAgskAiULFAcCCAIEEwgBBYd5Bgy9co1pgQoWChMLgnRhA5AAgSyHPIp3hSCDD4In X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,802,1363132800"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="218890193" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2013 21:56:39 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r54Ludd2009368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 21:56:39 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.24]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:56:39 -0500 From: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" To: " Group" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-miller-posh-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHOYWzd1ThVC81P1Ey84RaQNFlC+w== Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 21:56:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20130604214212.5328.97429.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.129.24.59] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E2D8D666-DC13-469C-9F61-62205D87E6ED"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-miller-posh-00.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:56:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E2D8D666-DC13-469C-9F61-62205D87E6ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a "new" version of POSH, essentially < = draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype > made more generic for use by other = protocols. This document is to help prepare for a possible BoF. We = also requested (and received) a mailing list specific for its = discussion: < https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/posh >.=20 The intent is for this draft to eventually replace < = draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype >, pending interest in use for other = protocols. - m&m Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > Cisco Systems, Inc. Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: I-D Action: draft-miller-posh-00.txt > Date: June 4, 2013 3:42:12 PM MDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : PKIX over Secure HTTP (POSH) > Author(s) : Matthew Miller > Peter Saint-Andre > Filename : draft-miller-posh-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2013-06-04 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines two methods that make it easier to deploy > certificates for proper server identity checking in application > protocols. The first method enables a TLS client to obtain a TLS > server's end-entity certificate over secure HTTP as an alternative = to > standard Public Key Infrastructure using X.509 (PKIX) and DNS-Based > Authentication of Named Entities (DANE). 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tests=[AWL=0.238, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UH89iDjv1gkW for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D95E21F9A5E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id C21BA62112; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT) To: psaintan@cisco.com, rlb@ipv.sx, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, jhildebr@cisco.com, ben@nostrum.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20130612160239.C21BA62112@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xmpp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [xmpp] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6120 (3650) X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:04:37 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6120, "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Core". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6120&eid=3650 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Peter Saint-Andre Section: Appendix A.2 Original Text ------------- Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- The "invalid-id" error condition was removed in the changes between RFC 3920 and RFC 6120, but not mistakenly removed from the schema. The "unsupported-feature" error condition was added in the changes between RFC 3920 and RFC 6120, but mistakenly not added to the schema. This bug was found by Anastasia Gornostaeva. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6120 (draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-22) -------------------------------------- Title : Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Core Publication Date : March 2011 Author(s) : P. Saint-Andre Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Wed Jun 12 09:52:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36EE11E80A2 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.228, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXm-yH9umD1E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB8211E80BA for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id DDF7862109; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:50:41 -0700 (PDT) To: psaintan@cisco.com, rlb@ipv.sx, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, jhildebr@cisco.com, ben@nostrum.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20130612165041.DDF7862109@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xmpp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [xmpp] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6120 (3651) X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:52:36 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6120, "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Core". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6120&eid=3651 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Peter Saint-Andre Section: 4.9.3.19 Original Text ------------- "(b) the receiving entity MAY have a policy of following redirects only if it has authenticated the receiving entity" Corrected Text -------------- "(b) the initiating entity MAY have a policy of following redirects only if it has authenticated the receiving entity" Notes ----- This bug was found by Yann Leboulanger. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6120 (draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-22) -------------------------------------- Title : Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Core Publication Date : March 2011 Author(s) : P. Saint-Andre Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From mamille2@cisco.com Thu Jun 13 14:56:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D19621F9B0C for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2-zez7iWSOv5 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB0021F9B06 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8185; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1371160599; x=1372370199; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=i8O2+f25MIilZzJKUwnED3osaxrB+e3fTmUzcMHidS4=; b=gbEhq5QaulHfodaYJvzkM9hh13xHgi5k8FRT4gQHfet8XNuxJSPn6mKW DGGhmy6Ah2i6SP6KH2BB7CHgtNNY5UYF2WbBIrbU+REiEhHxuEsx7INrd lrvjIPQr/ThCHMovLAVZ80xQnb97nrkVSsXm5Ck0PenLmam76qi21Vz1h E=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4136 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFACw/ulGtJXHB/2dsb2JhbABagwkwQwa+QoECFnSCIwEBAQMBAQEBaxALAgEZAwECCyQCJQsUBwIIAgQTCAEFh3oGBwW7D48WFgoTC4J5YQOQAYEshz2KeIUhgw+CJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,861,1363132800"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="222585581" Received: from rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com ([173.37.113.193]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2013 21:56:38 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com [173.36.12.76]) by rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5DLucaP030290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:56:38 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.24]) by xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com ([173.36.12.76]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:56:38 -0500 From: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" To: " Group" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHOaHtKpzXAibbUnkuiexD8LLJs7g== Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:56:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20130613211622.5916.75108.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.129.24.59] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0E90F7CE-839E-4BCB-B6A5-74A408A19AC5"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:56:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0E90F7CE-839E-4BCB-B6A5-74A408A19AC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI This revision tracks with the latest JW(K|E|S) documents. - m&m Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > Cisco Systems, Inc. Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: I-D Action: draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06.txt > Date: June 13, 2013 3:16:22 PM MDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : End-to-End Object Encryption and Signatures = for the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) > Author(s) : Matthew Miller > Filename : draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06.txt > Pages : 38 > Date : 2013-06-13 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines two methods for securing objects (often > referred to as stanzas) for the Extensible Messaging and Presence > Protocol (XMPP), which allows for efficient asynchronous > communication between two entities, each with might have multiple > devices operating simultaneously. One is a method to encrypt = stanzas > to provide confidentiality protection; another is a method to sign > stanzas to provide authentication and integrity protection. This > document also defines a related protocol for entities to request the > ephemeral session keys in use. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-miller-xmpp-e2e-06 >=20 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --Apple-Mail=_0E90F7CE-839E-4BCB-B6A5-74A408A19AC5 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" 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<20130618155949.923.24534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130618155949.923.24534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20130618155949.923.24534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: Last Call: (CUSAX: Combined Use of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP)) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:02:06 -0000 FYI. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Last Call: (CUSAX: Combined Use of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP)) to Informational RFC Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:59:49 -0700 From: The IESG Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'CUSAX: Combined Use of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP)' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2013-07-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes suggested practices for combined use of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). Such practices aim to provide a single fully featured real-time communication service by using complementary subsets of features from each of the protocols. Typically such subsets would include telephony capabilities from SIP and instant messaging and presence capabilities from XMPP. This specification does not define any new protocols or syntax for either SIP or XMPP. However, implementing the practices outlined in this document may require modifying or at least reconfiguring existing client and server-side software. Also, it is not the purpose of this document to make recommendations as to whether or not such combined use should be preferred to the mechanisms provided natively by each protocol (for example, SIP's SIMPLE or XMPP's Jingle). It merely aims to provide guidance to those who are interested in such a combined use. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Jun 19 10:10:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271C021F9E1D for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.126 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.126 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.397, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id adv26GaZiF+A for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A76B21F9E04 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [64.101.72.59]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CA3641278; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51C1E5F7.30403@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:10:15 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xmpp@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: [Stox] STOX WG officially approved - charter and work plan X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:10:22 -0000 FYI. Please join the stox@ietf.org list to participate: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox Peter -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Stox] STOX WG officially approved - charter and work plan Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:57:28 +0000 From: To: CC: yana@jitsi.org Hi all, The SIP-to-XMPP (STOX) WG has now been officially approved by the IESG. Our charter can be found at . Myself (markus.isomaki@nokia.com) and Yana Stamcheva (yana@jitsi.org) will act as co-chairs. The plan outlined in the charter is that this will be a focused and relatively straight-forward effort that we aim to finish in just a few months. The charter has these milestones: Jun 2013 Accept starting-point mapping specifications as WG items Aug 2013 Start Working Group Last Call on mapping specifications Oct 2013 Submit mapping specifications to the IESG Yana and I have additionally outlined a bit more detailed plan: - June: One week consensus call on adopting the current drafts as WG items. - Latest by July 8: Submit current drafts as -00 WG drafts. - July: Ask people to comment and raise open issues about the drafts, ask co-authors to prepare presentations about open issues for IETF 87. Start recruiting reviewers and if needed, co-authors. - IETF 87: Meet for 1 hour. Discuss open issues. Agree on the deadline for reviews and WG last call on the documents. Decide if all documents can proceed in the same timeline, or whether some phasing will be needed. - By end of August: Start the official WG last call. - September - October: Process last call comments and finalize the documents for the IESG review. - IETF 88: Meet if there is interest and energy to discuss about rechartering, i.e. adding new WG items. Let us know if you have any feedback to this. I will next send a few mails to the list about specific topics such as our first milestone, i.e. the acceptance of the current drafts as WG items. Markus _______________________________________________ stox mailing list stox@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox From mamille2@cisco.com Thu Jun 20 18:47:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2F311E8143 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dbvl2Laf8jjR for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389F221E80DF for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6700; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1371779216; x=1372988816; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=0SF24tOzzrnhr/6hC6pp6pq3/QnYXvmBkU3by+y/6ak=; b=UXPd6Ngp4Wer67eitzHtyJ2tPbXe9ozf3AXrEXpTg8fmZIVcf+IhJ6ae 7pDHAKlTSpJn7pvzoOEXhrgb3z1tVTaUzuce33QtPy44fM7ANBVUYqfGr kcr3zbnFM1whcbWz1faWTi0Likse5BTtVKShJjsfOZrnDpvgQdDPprg/7 M=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4136 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmAFADSww1GtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABbgwkxSYI8vHqBARZ0giUBBIELASomMA8YBBMIBg2Hcwybd6A0jxiDOGEDkAOBLIc9kBuDD4Io X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,909,1363132800"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="225563996" Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2013 01:46:55 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com [173.36.12.84]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5L1ktOp000812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:46:55 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.24]) by xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com ([173.36.12.84]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:46:55 -0500 From: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" To: " Group" Thread-Topic: About POSH Thread-Index: AQHObiE1Fi9LMklP/k+iidnwvGyvpQ== Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.93.120] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E2CC5352-83C7-4533-A12C-19C907C03021"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [xmpp] About POSH X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:47:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E2CC5352-83C7-4533-A12C-19C907C03021 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Earlier this month, Peter Saint-Andre and I submitted [POSH] as a more = generic solution to the secure delegation problem. We believe that it = is applicable to other non-HTTP services, and have gotten some informal = feedback to that end. We would greatly appreciate any feedback this group can provide on the = new version, especially if you have opinions about its use for other = non-HTTP services. The discussion forum is < posh@ietf.org >. Thanks! - m&m Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > Cisco Systems, Inc. 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X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=fITORY6B81J3Oaek/dRQAO5Nfm6MO79BILShom6039w=; b=lfuvUyAnPYfocYOPPdZvkqQBPhCE9o4X9jOJwSzp7yzWU6NfQJJc3qJ+7EebfDrTYM PogeoZpTv6KwN2dDxezGcSc/xDKOyIZurnRIpSR0EibqcMvRm+zi+YccfndO4GwGwEdl uxjnozuuzbulAu2xF0VPmhKWTYCmC+EPe17pm5EIdwZnsEPv0dco1UGdY0ad/WLP+Cu/ 016yzoFx0v0g3lpYBR+yyE6pToSTlUa7OfAFSoq2sGBho7FkLiaq69zChQUnqT/1FF2l XgLn4whD2/Q8qp88tVBuT/H2cdFVWo9kCZVumClmQZYgrE5ZC9BvyQf2gJn4Mo9YoGgd U/OQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.165.79 with SMTP id h15mr1082947qcy.77.1371814500196; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.135 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.127.8.19] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:34:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: Simon Tennant To: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9c09bf4fb9f6204dfa873c6 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkEAAurhc9QOzSjPelW6AMVN1RlZScBq8GA6Ru0Mefnxf2ob1AR+5bNbznwPvuPf9mv6P+9 Cc: " Group" Subject: Re: [xmpp] About POSH X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:35:05 -0000 --14dae9c09bf4fb9f6204dfa873c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 What's unclear to me is the lookup order and which certification to trust? - should I trust DNSsec before POSH? Is there any versioning of the results. I presume this is v1.0. How will clients handle newer versions of the protocol? Can any of this lookup reuse the the DNS-SD discovery protocol (the TXT record format and IANA registry)? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6763#page-19 Of course my fear with anything webfinger-y, is that it supposes the type of people who look after the infrastructure can work with the people that look after content that goes onto the naked domain (which is usually outsourced or run by an web agency). IMHO, a far more reliable approach would be to have a dedicated URL away from the root domain for this content (https://posh.example.com, for example). S. On 21 June 2013 03:46, Matt Miller (mamille2) wrote: > Earlier this month, Peter Saint-Andre and I submitted [POSH] as a more > generic solution to the secure delegation problem. We believe that it is > applicable to other non-HTTP services, and have gotten some informal > feedback to that end. > > We would greatly appreciate any feedback this group can provide on the new > version, especially if you have opinions about its use for other non-HTTP > services. The discussion forum is < posh@ietf.org >. > > > Thanks! > > - m&m > > Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > [POSH] :: PKIX over Secure HTTP < > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-posh-00 > > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp > > -- Simon Tennant | buddycloud.com | +49 17 8545 0880 | office hours: goo.gl/tQgxP --14dae9c09bf4fb9f6204dfa873c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's unclear to me is the lookup orde= r and which certification to trust?
- should I trust DNSsec before= POSH?

Is there any versioning of the results. I presume this = is v1.0. How will clients handle newer versions of the protocol?

Can any of this lookup reuse the the DNS-SD discovery protocol (t= he TXT record format and IANA registry)?=C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6763#page-19=

Of course my fear with anything webfinger-y, is that it= supposes the type of people who look after the infrastructure can work wit= h the people that look after content that goes onto the naked domain (which= is usually outsourced or run by an web agency). IMHO, a far more reliable = approach would be to have a dedicated URL away from the root domain for thi= s content (https://posh.example.com, for example).



=
On 21 June 2013 03:46, Matt Miller (mamille2) <mamille2@cisco.com> wrote:
Earlier this month, Peter Saint-Andre and I = submitted [POSH] as a more generic solution to the secure delegation proble= m. =C2=A0We believe that it is applicable to other non-HTTP services, and h= ave gotten some informal feedback to that end.

We would greatly appreciate any feedback this group can provide on the new = version, especially if you have opinions about its use for other non-HTTP s= ervices. =C2=A0The discussion forum is < posh@ietf.org >.


Thanks!

- m&m

Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com >
Cisco Systems, Inc.

[POSH] :: PKIX over Secure HTTP < http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mi= ller-posh-00 >
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--14dae9c09bf4fb9f6204dfa873c6-- From mamille2@cisco.com Tue Jun 25 22:24:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBA121E8099; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n7KhHziNo5Jb; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48BC21E808E; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:24:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9026; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1372224279; x=1373433879; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=4t30XmWGuypYRHoSKU0XwbG05+Gy3/VD54Oz0Bf9UCk=; b=Vuvnw8HeM28uSJw55ETarjrHbygZT3E87XTeddbkveCe1CE4yU9Z4Shf 7+C18SLP2QRx7F5UEVuEhwXhy/0rXnq7mEStlA+5qIyEYdumG0CFtNddJ +XbX3F/f8ErpqCW7Mn/6JMgI6tvIUJyA32ry8fE4cbhZpDZEM+oKCGlhy w=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4136 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFABl6ylGtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABagwkxSb84gQgWdIIjAQEBAwF5BQsCAQgiJAIwJQIEAQ0FCAaHegYMumCPGTEHgwJhA5ADgSyCQoR7kByDEYIo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,941,1363132800"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="227486240" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2013 05:24:39 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com [173.37.183.76]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5Q5OcpG015945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:24:38 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.24]) by xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([173.37.183.76]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:24:38 -0500 From: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" To: Simon Tennant , "posh@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [xmpp] About POSH Thread-Index: AQHObiE1Fi9LMklP/k+iidnwvGyvpZlAXkeAgAd0LoA= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.122.113] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C544B37-9850-49C2-BAE9-03F9CDF6C6F2"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: " Group" Subject: Re: [xmpp] About POSH X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:24:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7C544B37-9850-49C2-BAE9-03F9CDF6C6F2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [including posh@ietf.org; will remove xmpp@ietf.org in subsequent = replies to this thread] On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Simon Tennant wrote: > What's unclear to me is the lookup order and which certification to = trust? > - should I trust DNSsec before POSH? >=20 I believe much of that is still in [XMPP-DNA], but we are recommending = that applications try to locate both as simultaneously as possible (a la = Happy Eyeballs). Otherwise, I think it comes down to what the application implementers = (and application deployers) believe will most quickly result in success. > Is there any versioning of the results. I presume this is v1.0. How = will > clients handle newer versions of the protocol? The content is JSON, and conforming to a [JWK] Set. I think it could be = extended to add a "version" or "poshVer" property if needed. Do you see any specific changes you think are likely and would require = versioning for interoperability? >=20 > Can any of this lookup reuse the the DNS-SD discovery protocol (the = TXT > record format and IANA registry)? > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6763#page-19 I don't think that DNS-SD itself provides any real benefit here. This = is effectively reusing portions of the SRV query (including the registry = of service and protocol names), while reusing a highly popular data = encapsulation format for which parsers and generators are readily = available for just about every conceivable platform. >=20 > Of course my fear with anything webfinger-y, is that it supposes the = type > of people who look after the infrastructure can work with the people = that > look after content that goes onto the naked domain (which is usually > outsourced or run by an web agency). IMHO, a far more reliable = approach > would be to have a dedicated URL away from the root domain for this = content > (https://posh.example.com, for example). >=20 I fail to see how shifting the burden from one content distributor to = another is far more reliable. Presumably, if the source-domain owner = already contracted with one agency to host their HTTPS service and = another (or some collection of anothers) for their non-HTTPS services, = it stands to reason they would then most likely contract with said HTTPS = hosting agency for the "posh." + source-domain. In my opinion, requiring "posh." + source-domain actually makes this = less reliable because it requires implicit trust in DNS hierarchies = always reflecting the domain ownership a specific way, but without = actually easing the deployment burden. - m&m Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > Cisco Systems, Inc. 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<1372351315.2152.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: Jon Kristensen To: xmpp@ietf.org Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:41:55 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.3 (3.8.3-2.fc19) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmFPdOwv9eiaECtq2RUH9RJtLskSNoTuyXTLxX/QA6V8mA/8cz1U9rIQiWYK5Kr0xdYYNeq Subject: [xmpp] Update on forgeability X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:42:09 -0000 Hi everyone! I said that I would look into the forgeability feature, so this is a small update on the matter. I have not manage to find out what the property is useful for. My last e-mail on the subject on the OTR-dev mailing-list () went unanswered. Please note that I'm not a cryptographer and that I may be wrong. Any feedback is welcome! Jon