From nobody Tue Apr 1 10:45:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCFE1A09A8 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-5-S2rzPWsK for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BCE1A09A1 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s31HjDI3044512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:45:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <68FA58CE-C00A-4281-8B7E-5C96A0B3B835@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:45:11 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 418067111.407135-759d46635270b0ee518dd22c5cc463d2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <304C1AC1-5B66-40FE-BD03-2969A840ED3F@nostrum.com> References: <68FA58CE-C00A-4281-8B7E-5C96A0B3B835@nostrum.com> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/F-QbJEXkHCu952fRjHG4oAh0ouo Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-6122bis-11 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 17:45:20 -0000 Hi, This WGLC has completed. All I saw go by was some feedback from Matt. = Did I miss feedback from anyone else? Thanks! Ben. On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-6122bis-11. The = draft is available at the following URL: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-6122bis-11 >=20 > The WGLC will conclude on 31 March, 2014. Please send your comments to = the authors and the XMPP mailing list. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ben. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Sun Apr 6 15:08:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76851A04FA for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yXxkY-towtVh for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405981A01BD for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aither.local (unknown [24.8.184.175]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 349AE40347; Sun, 6 Apr 2014 16:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5341D066.1030901@stpeter.im> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:08:38 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: XMPP Working Group References: <0E1BD27E-E0B5-4B61-8451-5B3ED8B649A2@jitsi.org> In-Reply-To: <0E1BD27E-E0B5-4B61-8451-5B3ED8B649A2@jitsi.org> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <0E1BD27E-E0B5-4B61-8451-5B3ED8B649A2@jitsi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/FTD5n6MOAclhrXhkVxl6rlwCKKU Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-groupchat-04 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:08:51 -0000 FYI. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-groupchat-04 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 20:20:39 +0200 From: Yana Stamcheva To: stox@ietf.org The editors and the chairs believe that the following draft is now ready and hereby start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-stox-groupchat-04 : http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-groupchat-04 (Last updated on 2014-03-25) The WGLC ends on April 21, 2014. Please review the document and bring any remaining issues, or issues whose resolution is not satisfactory, to the attention of the Working Group on this list before April 21. If after reviewing the document you find it complete and do not have any comments, please send a note to that effect as well! Regards, Yana Stamcheva & Markus Isomaki _______________________________________________ stox mailing list stox@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox From nobody Mon Apr 7 14:30:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6CA1A02CD for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-XX-4365vW0 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A690A1A02D7 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s37LTt4G081849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:29:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:29:56 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 418598996.560094-6485d297c5c9013a518c1e5abe472d61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/6eRwNhtPPw8H5tOvNg1nDEcDPFw Cc: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:30:20 -0000 This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02. The = draft is available at the following URL: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 The WGLC will conclude on 21 April, 2014. Please send your comments to = the authors and the XMPP mailing list. Thanks! Ben. From nobody Wed Apr 9 12:48:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956D31A023D for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.878 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.878 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UliNJ6vgeERs for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babelmonkeys.de (babelmonkeys.de [IPv6:2a02:d40:3:1:10a1:5eff:fe52:509]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24091A023B for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xdsl-87-79-63-110.netcologne.de ([87.79.63.110] helo=[192.168.0.140]) by babelmonkeys.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WXyUG-0002Jl-6g; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:48:44 +0200 Message-ID: <5345A413.6050205@babelmonkeys.de> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:48:35 +0200 From: Florian Zeitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xmpp@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/uv_uWnN2Z52gWaCT3gs2v8Cp3ms Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:48:51 -0000 I generally consider this draft to be in a decent shape. The wording and general flow still seem a bit rough to me at times. More detailed comments below: = Substantive = * Having some text explaining the general framing approach upfront would be helpful. This should note that an XML Stream is not used as described in RFC 6120, but and elements are used instead. The lack of a surrounding element should be explicitly noted. This could go along with text explaining each message is a full XML document without an XML declaration. 3.5 Closing the connection: * "To initiate closing the WebSocket connection, the closing party MUST send a normal WebSocket close message with an empty body." Why? Having no body at all implies that sending a status code is not allowed. This seems undesirable to me. 3.5.1 see-other-uri * This currently says that the URI may only point to another WebSocket endpoint. IIRC the intent was specifically to be able to also move from WebSocket to BOSH. = Editorial = 1. Introduction: * "The WebSocket protocol [...]. The WebSocket protocol [...]." 3.3 XMPP Stream Setup * It would be helpful to reuse RFC 6120's language here. I.e. "The first message sent by the initiating entity [...]" "The receiving entity MUST respond [...]" 3.6 Stanzas * "directly over the XMPP stream", RFC 6120 calls this a "XML Stream". * "XML text declaration" XML 1.0 calls this a "XML declaration", the whole sentence could use some rewording, possibly also mentioning size overhead. 3.7 Stream Restarts * "In these cases", only one case is listed. Possibly reword to say something like "Whenever a stream restart is mandated [...]" Clarify is used for stream restarts instead of . 3.8 Stanzas * "that the XMPP stream is still alive" -> "XML Stream" Regards, Florian Zeitz On 07.04.2014 23:29, Ben Campbell wrote: > This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02. The draft is available at the following URL: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 > > The WGLC will conclude on 21 April, 2014. Please send your comments to the authors and the XMPP mailing list. > > Thanks! > > Ben. > From nobody Wed Apr 9 14:04:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4151A044A for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T9hIzArch_WS for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EEE1A02F5 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WXxsp-0003ew-RY for xmpp@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:10:03 +0200 Received: from 196-215-205-135.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.215.205.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:10:03 +0200 Received: from binary by 196-215-205-135.dynamic.isadsl.co.za with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:10:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xmpp@ietf.org From: Sergey Dobrov Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:07:50 +0200 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53459A86.4080909@jrudevels.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-215-205-135.dynamic.isadsl.co.za User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/7TJMpAlx2Qyoso8wtWP-cQmleso X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:04:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:10:15 -0000 Hello, We've implemented the protocol in our JSLiX library here: https://github.com/jbinary/jslix/blob/master/src/connection.transports.websocket.js and it seems to work well in couple with prosody xmpp server, we had no any problems with the spec. The implementation have not been used at production server but seems to work pretty stable on localhost and will go to production soon. Thanks. On 07/04/2014 23:29, Ben Campbell wrote: > This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02. The draft is available at the following URL: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 > > The WGLC will conclude on 21 April, 2014. Please send your comments to the authors and the XMPP mailing list. > > Thanks! > > Ben. > From nobody Thu Apr 10 22:39:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8816D1A00B3 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bOT_jz_et-Lk for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698451A00B0 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id y10so4808236pdj.22 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=sszSoVF9YrF8TCflfSZBuGk6088U+2ppDnPT5VI3IWg=; b=BByeAEgL/Y6YWrr2GvDB5cZOQlnqy3H1C/xrpBlSVU2tQYnCq63tqv7Ldo44dfdl1m 6wAbW5hvo6pQIuL+KvcP/1wdG5UGU8JPcQ+CHqhCY4bq4U8bKnpiyC1jrxp6kbGTgQOf 4ANhzX+FA96SwLCNZxiz7+sHZLAJI9U1gm7E5FZPoQwQGn6yAGyj/T22rVtQLCakAvuG 6aECCFsv9+wjJxODA20Lvf/fPjS6Bx64mqcFXTLrvSiz7svXIT2/zufTDbVVHZQLbg9g a2wfv6WKIJi4Oy8/I41W0KEoS7kHHOyrXikLJhBg7dlb68b7XeEurI7fwXpalsnS+EW9 58WA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkMBWCyZJ92jUBm1T9PeYfVgiOrdaQd2GG2+ghdriFMp0U/o54VhU+UJ3ZkaHirNbPrmYjy X-Received: by 10.68.178.1 with SMTP id cu1mr24646249pbc.34.1397194788307; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.172] (96-41-205-84.dhcp.elbg.wa.charter.com. [96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pr4sm12982588pbb.53.2014.04.10.22.39.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_92F9562C-E5B7-43B7-813F-635D070FAF5A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <5345A413.6050205@babelmonkeys.de> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:39:44 -0700 Message-Id: References: <5345A413.6050205@babelmonkeys.de> To: Florian Zeitz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/FK-jWk49_uUDfF5gaDYM-ymu1DY Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 05:39:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_92F9562C-E5B7-43B7-813F-635D070FAF5A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with all of the points that Florian raised, and will edit and = push an updated I-D incorporating that feedback over the weekend. -- Lance= --Apple-Mail=_92F9562C-E5B7-43B7-813F-635D070FAF5A Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIM5jCCBjQw ggQcoAMCAQICASAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwfTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0 Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxKTAn BgNVBAMTIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA3MTAyNDIxMDI1NVoX DTE3MTAyNDIxMDI1NVowgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSsw KQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWduaW5nMTgwNgYDVQQDEy9TdGFy 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This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket Authors : Lance Stout Jack Moffitt Eric Cestari Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2014-04-19 Abstract: This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cz3sm68384623pbc.9.2014.04.19.16.04.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Apr 2014 16:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Lance Stout Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1EE9AE30-91C9-4FE2-AEC1-71432CF6E7BE"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 16:04:28 -0700 References: <20140419230043.10189.55899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/71ylex9wdmVj_BqjQawRX-kvwDM Cc: XMPP Standards Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:04:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1EE9AE30-91C9-4FE2-AEC1-71432CF6E7BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI There are no protocol-affecting changes in this update. It re-organizes = the text to give an up-front description of the framing process, and = other editorial cleanup. Begin forwarded message: > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03.txt > Date: April 19, 2014 at 4:00:43 PM PDT > To: "Lance Stout" , Eric Cestari , = "Eric Cestari" , "Jack Moffitt" , Lance = Stout , Jack Moffitt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03.txt > has been successfully submitted by Lance Stout and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket > Revision: 03 > Title: An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket > Document date: 2014-04-19 > Group: xmpp > Pages: 13 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03 > Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-03 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a > WebSocket transport layer. 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with SMTP id o9mr27651069ics.38.1398036224169; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.41 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:23:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gordin <9ordin@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 01:23:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ben Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/eKF9L-WJg86AJKLgIDhSIYKRBc8 Cc: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket.all@tools.ietf.org, XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:23:53 -0000 I implemented all of the websocket drafts for Strophe.js and found most of it straightforward, but I have a few minor clarifications to add for "3.4. Stream Initiation" (in the -03 version). It reads "The first message sent by the initiating entity after the WebSocket opening handshake is complete MUST be an element qualified by the "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-framing" namespace. The 'from', 'id', 'to', and 'version' attributes of this element mirror those of the XMPP opening stream tag as defined for the 'http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' namespace in XMPP [RFC6120]." The first sentence could be rearrenged to "The first message sent after the WebSocket opening handshake is complete MUST be an element qualified by the "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-framing" namespace by the initiating entity." to emphasize that the initiating entity has to send the first message after the handshake. More important though, "The 'from', 'id', 'to', and 'version' attributes of this element =E2=80=A6" suggests that the the initiating enti= ty should include an 'id' attribute in the element, which is a MUST NOT in RFC6120 as this 'id' "MUST be generated by the receiving entity" and "the initiating entity MUST NOT include the 'id' attribute" as stated in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-4.7.3 . It would be nice if there was an example and a reference to RFC6120, section 4.7.3 to make it clear that the 'id' attribute should only be present in the response of the receiving entity. Something like: C: S: -- Gordin 2014-04-07 23:29 GMT+02:00 Ben Campbell : > This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02. The dr= aft is available at the following URL: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 > > The WGLC will conclude on 21 April, 2014. Please send your comments to th= e authors and the XMPP mailing list. > > Thanks! > > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Sun Apr 20 16:45:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DBA1A00D1; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvUczL1Ss8lI; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD061A0089; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.3.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140420234508.15834.69854.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:45:08 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/up482A2qzZ5__Dwf79beulfIkrM Cc: xmpp@ietf.org Subject: [xmpp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:45:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket Authors : Lance Stout Jack Moffitt Eric Cestari Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2014-04-20 Abstract: This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Apr 20 16:51:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC191A00BD for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxAFtbavBtgZ for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471181A0089 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id lj1so3145539pab.34 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=ODz/6gl0mT3FpykOCg68uJNs9nzf+brcYuj9XdI4hn4=; b=CtR/j8TuAWQ/uTTVm/8X7cOuNctf8mhBGAaIPnj5YmR2aVpuBWRV5PLYeJwe8jgSM/ SnqVV2K6Xes/BYBiFgLzmLuei9NPcw+TBbTMdqpTmaJ/ncEyRHXAc4i/8mzuovXne2wI cQBi2UXsEGK/YksNb0ELu/7lRIAcIGrRyJ7fMIcaWKE3ZncXSZSNICrO5DqrQCTa5Sqb MvQ6JlLBq7ogOmWY0a6AqgtbowcCae0cXNP0Tbj1oDhyzzWu9SiYpC9WLS4zYOcTWeCE vqoRCVJRtqnotPkLkUHjGrEo1LetkG4llBWcRDmwTkGOaiYGthgMWbG/IifmtJ6/6no7 7ngg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlu/Da0uftn6Ysghv5qbEe5iFe7fpQgEqBX9FyOHD4lHorbZro1zBRFWylCwvK7xV9bqjyQ X-Received: by 10.66.233.72 with SMTP id tu8mr547058pac.112.1398037854557; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.172] (96-41-205-84.dhcp.elbg.wa.charter.com. [96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oe4sm73975504pbb.33.2014.04.20.16.50.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_787D83DE-9F7B-49EC-A344-9A87465558A8"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3A7614F0-D9A2-4A14-A2E7-BD229632E310@andyet.net> References: To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/y_6XSp6oNxuimgClKjzbwpuLVRc Cc: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket.all@tools.ietf.org, Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:51:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_787D83DE-9F7B-49EC-A344-9A87465558A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 20, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Gordin <9ordin@gmail.com> wrote: > I implemented all of the websocket drafts for Strophe.js and found > most of it straightforward, but I have a few minor clarifications to > add for "3.4. Stream Initiation" (in the -03 version). >=20 > **snip** >=20 > =97 Gordin Thank you, Gordin. I've posted a -04 draft that incorporates your = feedback. 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[96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ir10sm73949597pbc.59.2014.04.20.16.52.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lance Stout Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8783B4C6-C581-4175-B7AD-93CE5662BA08"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Message-Id: <70B56605-EC89-4DA4-86B5-689158EF467B@andyet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:52:57 -0700 References: <20140420234508.15834.69854.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/myyrVZTmZPqcjNhZb8iTSXhN1jU Cc: XMPP Standards Subject: [xmpp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:53:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8783B4C6-C581-4175-B7AD-93CE5662BA08 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI This version clarifies the stream initiation exchange by giving an = example and explicitly stating=20 that the attributes of the element match what is prescribed by = Section 4.7 of RFC 6120. Begin forwarded message: > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: [xmpp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt > Date: April 20, 2014 at 4:45:08 PM PDT > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: xmpp@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence = Protocol Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket > Authors : Lance Stout > Jack Moffitt > Eric Cestari > Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2014-04-20 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a > WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides > higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp --Apple-Mail=_8783B4C6-C581-4175-B7AD-93CE5662BA08 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: 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1Wc1of-0005e2-Ld for xmpp@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 02:10:33 +0200 Message-ID: <535461F1.60901@babelmonkeys.de> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 02:10:25 +0200 From: Florian Zeitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xmpp@ietf.org References: <20140420234508.15834.69854.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <70B56605-EC89-4DA4-86B5-689158EF467B@andyet.net> In-Reply-To: <70B56605-EC89-4DA4-86B5-689158EF467B@andyet.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/zGMUC2-GyPKZ8ynvIG3oAUxdSaU Subject: Re: [xmpp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 00:10:42 -0000 On 21.04.2014 01:52, Lance Stout wrote: > FYI > > This version clarifies the stream initiation exchange by giving an example and explicitly stating > that the attributes of the element match what is prescribed by Section 4.7 of RFC 6120. > Having read the -02 to -03, and -03 to -04 diffs, I am quite content with the current version. I feel all feedback has been adequately addressed. One last remark I have is that I dislike (the formatting of) the example in Section 3.3.3: " -- WS Message boundary -- -- WS Message boundary -- -- WS Message boundary -- Every WebSocket message is parsable by itself. " It makes it look like this is a valid protocol flow, which it clearly is not. When first reading it, I was stuck pondering why a would be transmitted after a stream error (and a host-unknown stream error after features), until I realised this were really 3 separate examples. Other than that, thank you for your great work Lance. Best regards, Florian Zeitz > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Subject: [xmpp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt >> Date: April 20, 2014 at 4:45:08 PM PDT >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: xmpp@ietf.org >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket >> Authors : Lance Stout >> Jack Moffitt >> Eric Cestari >> Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt >> Pages : 14 >> Date : 2014-04-20 >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a >> WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides >> higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ From nobody Sun Apr 20 17:31:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D30E1A00EA; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYU-b6B37oa6; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209881A00DD; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.3.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140421003112.19898.84920.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:31:12 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/riAGvTkSH5LXzWnDPsjuFGudUHQ Cc: xmpp@ietf.org Subject: [xmpp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 00:31:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket Authors : Lance Stout Jack Moffitt Eric Cestari Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2014-04-20 Abstract: This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Apr 20 17:33:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6261A00EC for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKbI1RH3aXGg for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22f.google.com (mail-pb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E581A00E5 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id up15so3169609pbc.20 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=IRCEy/bvNSx04TOJ2OTPrB40FMRNKdr1t9SMQZopSXM=; b=LkLgTEnGbwMOQ24Oz0OeI4G3grPYLp3aJT4D0IP/1+MEfQYhp8qITSAIiq0RcgHamK KU8eZxgMFalPAifOMsvWuYyc7ECDQAg43CSMseJHF79shcjSvfHTXP8lEbzszCFp66kD EEKwlnjIM94A2yLfDzskpBzLAZSlFRPc7r4orjl7so9idDoik2wg11lDvjkS5H7uVxBO /IO0LO/mbbg0t7df7V7qedFci/jbqlLLvljpm23jlsmmg+KoEeimFaqktzCsyHavPBh0 t/o+DSepiyL8SQuwpENsff7yiU1JcH6WkwVGHEXiONFJ1qxwk1vg38McDFZ+ZZ904MJL yuKg== X-Received: by 10.66.147.99 with SMTP id tj3mr34899188pab.47.1398040425966; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.172] (96-41-205-84.dhcp.elbg.wa.charter.com. [96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z3sm177737726pas.15.2014.04.20.17.33.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A2FE6EE1-9D46-4715-92BC-A6DF5B81F9B7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <535461F1.60901@babelmonkeys.de> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:33:40 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20140420234508.15834.69854.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <70B56605-EC89-4DA4-86B5-689158EF467B@andyet.net> <535461F1.60901@babelmonkeys.de> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/uc8t4gxkz_9R0URbHY5XF_KBcDc Subject: Re: [xmpp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-04.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 00:33:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A2FE6EE1-9D46-4715-92BC-A6DF5B81F9B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 20, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Florian Zeitz = wrote: > One last remark I have is that I dislike (the formatting of) the = example > in Section 3.3.3: I just published -05 which splits that into multiple examples, making = that section read much better. Thanks! =97 Lance --Apple-Mail=_A2FE6EE1-9D46-4715-92BC-A6DF5B81F9B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTVGdkAAoJEEUjsLfW9hYO21IP/ie3ZKQv3ciq1aiopDQzH1kX lNb5gUD6tGnvhfaNs5vgT31tXIt0LZIPZG1FzPhTs/fhnuR4bYmQtgGIoQ2ktJek IHFwbxeDDEhFrfc/tA0oj4PJz917Wo4LHJZV6fk2eQd2ueP7YVrd+GiGuwfOVABC AW74+2y4wE+/ksQjQoA6knBEZ4V1UY9YiQo7dsNFdtPVS7U0aIoYF7q5Q/cvvLVP 3XfnkJmkW1TL6W4bMyXmxCeGdKXNWycxtyqBqHEOLtrlh71WpMIOSDDB2VWQJDB8 0GHAYdnFd8hsx9gEjgyGKumUzWiBk+FTeOyuP/0gnkfL0xnYNdoIMpbCsr96Y+OY 3YAVwrNsm8h2bl+6jXVdyTZGM7MqwrQSaUC2LOuxJXya+eTktDskMAeUTBIjiuYC h68cxx0WWErai8KncYnLgbv7OazRhDdl03s22i9Hmd8sAevmQI2keZSwYbcCowrn /Qv/BVPwQt20o+BwDxoK+H+xPcBjzNIlfCuh20hk43oZbq90BmKIY4cpnir2xLoZ TsTv58aSa0RXN7lUb458P5S1VH+9++vhViEqWt4/VO9pXlLkHbbRWLuId07SW8VP r1qD0ksFZooVMF5lYhPAxpKtskw3mOAQELRM43MyTROZdY32GQCbDCGpU+hZ9m30 gsMPlic/3Xpt8WSQgE86 =nyJe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A2FE6EE1-9D46-4715-92BC-A6DF5B81F9B7-- From nobody Mon Apr 21 14:15:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37D41A0296 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Qq5Ba_WR1IM for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDC01A0292 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3LLFTGl003516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:15:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] From: Ben Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419807730.730685-480cc92c088fd0f7102141a803f70cdb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Message-Id: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:15:30 -0500 To: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket.all@tools.ietf.org, XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/umDCHM-PSaq4QvhB8WYumZGGRnM Subject: [xmpp] Comments on draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:15:39 -0000 Here's some just under the wire comments on = draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05. It mostly looks fine, but I have a few = comments, mainly about some 2119 language, and about connection = managers: -- 3.1: "During the WebSocket handshake, the client MUST include the = Sec-WebSocket-Protocol header in its handshake, and the value |xmpp| = MUST be included in the list of protocols. " Isn't the "MUST include Sec-WebSocket-Protocol" part really a = requirement of WebSocket in general? That is, is it in any way specific = to XMPP?, if it's simply a repetition of a general WebSocket = requirement, we should not state it normatively here. ( In any case, it = seems to be implied by the "value MUST include xmpp" part.) -- 3.2.2: "... MUST close the stream with an error, which SHOULD be = ..." Why SHOULD and not MUST? Are there reasonable circumstances to choose = something else? Can you offer guidance on why one might choose something = else, and what impact that would have? -- 3.6: Do we have to worry about half-closes situations where the peer does not = respond in a timely manner? How about glare? How does the XEP-0198 guidance after the figure interact with the = guidance saying the closing party SHOULD close the stream? That would = seem to imply one SHOULD NOT keep the stream alive, since that would = involve not closing the stream. -- 3.6.1: Can a server (or connection manager) redirect the client at = any time? -- 3.8: First paragraph says clients can use extra whitespace, but goes onto say = you SHOULD use WebSocket ping control frames. Does that mean we are = recommending _against_ using the extra whitespace? If so, I'd avoid = language saying you "can" do it in the first place, or add some = qualification to make it clear those are "standard" XMPP clients and = servers, but _WebSocket_ implementations SHOULD do things differently. Are the uses of XMPP Ping or Stream Management for this purpose limited = to the connection manager case? If not, does the aforementioned SHOULD = also recommend against doing these? Are clients and servers expected to know that a connection manager = exists in the first place? Can we have plain-vanilla XMPP servers with a = websocket connection manager? If so, how would they know to follow the = XMPP/WebSocket recommendations?=20 -- 3.9: " ... enabling TLS SHOULD be done at the WebSocket layer ... " Why not MUST? Can you give guidance about when it might make sense not = to do it, and the consequences? Does the possibility of a connection manager change anything? =20 From nobody Mon Apr 21 15:12:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977841A02D1 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AGh88rPiPPHq for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD281A0039 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id md12so4183433pbc.37 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=KrWTQHNVvlIWy33AaszV/hMwzHj8vGulnX2vTc6mL7Y=; b=Q2Rg/OzhrGUvgYXZCdeMUO6mvr1vPaED5dwwdm86jKzAyKDuf1HhWugUc5L5eEcED+ oJ7KV3i1hlY5pRdmszOOENLW4+LW6WIBpEZtOlLnpyb6FezkEfhEbDkaHLeNvtQmcMbn qc9ZJFfbyuKhDe1xbkTPSUU0uPzwBNUXAhkhsQJ9M2ak03jgzQ5Hg8/siRpU/ksi+NEQ 7S64IdDnktq+9eQHVaACVhXsFNf+afyKCnESRT5nAbBkRqQzAkoBbLdIjaqX5tJ6sYVt 2X+iXMiFfl3RAvI5pyc7RPgIYQgvplwpoqaD03wKdCPSvAx/mBZQ7zgXEhcXFJj9/1xw uR5A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk7dycPHx5LQ+TSSIsWtAgPwyhgVxEtzYpxVxqk/5ydAiXw7UsWUeggw7WxVsLHqtJ6HIsr X-Received: by 10.67.5.7 with SMTP id ci7mr40181174pad.99.1398118350149; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.172] (96-41-205-84.dhcp.elbg.wa.charter.com. [96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xg8sm149450567pac.26.2014.04.21.15.12.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_37AB04C4-E2F1-4E9B-8804-360DA364E5E5"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:12:26 -0700 Message-Id: <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> References: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/P5BIbLxja_dziseH1_qFftqgMYw Cc: Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [xmpp] Comments on draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:12:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_37AB04C4-E2F1-4E9B-8804-360DA364E5E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Here's some just under the wire comments on = draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05. It mostly looks fine, but I have a few = comments, mainly about some 2119 language, and about connection = managers: >=20 >=20 > -- 3.1: "During the WebSocket handshake, the client MUST include the = Sec-WebSocket-Protocol header in its handshake, and the value |xmpp| = MUST be included in the list of protocols. " >=20 > Isn't the "MUST include Sec-WebSocket-Protocol" part really a = requirement of WebSocket in general? That is, is it in any way specific = to XMPP?, if it's simply a repetition of a general WebSocket = requirement, we should not state it normatively here. ( In any case, it = seems to be implied by the "value MUST include xmpp" part.) Makes sense. We only need to require here that the header includes = 'xmpp' in the list of protocols. > -- 3.2.2: "... MUST close the stream with an error, which SHOULD be = ..." >=20 > Why SHOULD and not MUST? Are there reasonable circumstances to choose = something else? Can you offer guidance on why one might choose something = else, and what impact that would have? I was mirroring the language in RFC 6120 Section 4.8.1. The SHOULD there = seems to come from some server implementations that used = instead. I'd be fine changing this to a MUST, since we're requiring servers to = change the stream start header anyway. > -- 3.6: >=20 > Do we have to worry about half-closes situations where the peer does = not respond in a timely manner? How about glare? >=20 > How does the XEP-0198 guidance after the figure interact with the = guidance saying the closing party SHOULD close the stream? That would = seem to imply one SHOULD NOT keep the stream alive, since that would = involve not closing the stream. >=20 > -- 3.6.1: Can a server (or connection manager) redirect the client at = any time? Yes, just as it can close the stream at any time. I'll make that more = explicit. > -- 3.8: >=20 > First paragraph says clients can use extra whitespace, but goes onto = say you SHOULD use WebSocket ping control frames. Does that mean we are = recommending _against_ using the extra whitespace? If so, I'd avoid = language saying you "can" do it in the first place, or add some = qualification to make it clear those are "standard" XMPP clients and = servers, but _WebSocket_ implementations SHOULD do things differently. Right. We're mandating in Section 3.3.3 that every WebSocket message = begins with "<", which makes using whitespace pings problematic. > Are the uses of XMPP Ping or Stream Management for this purpose = limited to the connection manager case? If not, does the aforementioned = SHOULD also recommend against doing these? Using Ping or Stream Management is acceptable in any case, if redundant, = as it turns out browsers do not explicitly give developers control over = WebSocket pings. My recommendation for preferred order of use of pinging mechanisms is: 1. Use Stream Management acks to ping (they're smaller and give useful = info). 2. Use XMPP Ping 3. Use WebSocket ping control frames (mostly useful only if you're using = WebSocket outside of a browser, such as on the server side of the = connection). > -- 3.9: " ... enabling TLS SHOULD be done at the WebSocket layer ... " >=20 > Why not MUST? Can you give guidance about when it might make sense not = to do it, and the consequences? >=20 > Does the possibility of a connection manager change anything? Using MUST here does make more sense. TLS SHOULD be used, and if MUST be = enabled at the WebSocket layer.= --Apple-Mail=_37AB04C4-E2F1-4E9B-8804-360DA364E5E5 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIM5jCCBjQw ggQcoAMCAQICASAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwfTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0 Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxKTAn BgNVBAMTIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA3MTAyNDIxMDI1NVoX DTE3MTAyNDIxMDI1NVowgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSsw KQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWduaW5nMTgwNgYDVQQDEy9TdGFy dENvbSBDbGFzcyAyIFByaW1hcnkgSW50ZXJtZWRpYXRlIENsaWVudCBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMsohUWcASz7GfKrpTOMKqANy9BV7V0igWdGxA8IU77L3aTxErQ+ fcxtDYZ36Z6GH0YFn7fq5RADteP0AYzrCA+EQTfi8q1+kA3m0nwtwXG94M5sIqsvs7lRP1aycBke 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[96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gj9sm80395735pbc.7.2014.04.21.15.29.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6D0C837A-3AFC-46F6-B25D-DFD0EACD90C4"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:29:40 -0700 Message-Id: <2A544C87-700F-416A-A81E-99D386741310@andyet.net> References: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/HQ85TUcr6Y8W5T-KeogbljUdA74 Cc: Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [xmpp] Comments on draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:29:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6D0C837A-3AFC-46F6-B25D-DFD0EACD90C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I seem to have missed a section. > -- 3.6: >=20 > Do we have to worry about half-closes situations where the peer does = not respond in a timely manner? How about glare? We're following the same procedure as in RFC 6120 Section 4.4 (with the = substitution of instead of ) Would referencing that section be sufficient to address this, or do I = need to include that language in this document? > How does the XEP-0198 guidance after the figure interact with the = guidance saying the closing party SHOULD close the stream? That would = seem to imply one SHOULD NOT keep the stream alive, since that would = involve not closing the stream. The closing party ought to do the polite thing and first end the XMPP = stream and then the WebSocket connection. In which case, the stream is = closed when the other party replies with a close, and the server = considers the session ended. The use of XEP-0198 is irrelevant in this = case, as the XMPP session is ended regardless. However, if the WebSocket connection happens to close before the XMPP = stream is closed (network loss, etc), then: XEP-0198 not enabled: consider the XMPP stream implicitly closed, = and end the XMPP session. 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(PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3MKpZjS019363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:51:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:51:35 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419892695.350925-43d374badfed33404e7fe9e51e6cdc7a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> To: Lance Stout X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/AaDt1AU1HbwPFHOSG4j7KoOkE_8 Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] Comments on draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:51:49 -0000 Hi, Thanks for the response. Comments inline. I removed sections that didn't = seem to require further comment. On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Lance Stout wrote: >=20 > On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 [...] >> -- 3.2.2: "... MUST close the stream with an error, which SHOULD be = ..." >>=20 >> Why SHOULD and not MUST? Are there reasonable circumstances to choose = something else? Can you offer guidance on why one might choose something = else, and what impact that would have? >=20 > I was mirroring the language in RFC 6120 Section 4.8.1. The SHOULD = there seems to come from some server implementations that used = instead. >=20 > I'd be fine changing this to a MUST, since we're requiring servers to = change the stream start header anyway. I'm okay either way, but if we leave it a SHOULD it would be good to add = a note about the reasoning. >=20 >=20 >> -- 3.6: >>=20 >> Do we have to worry about half-closes situations where the peer does = not respond in a timely manner? How about glare? >>=20 >> How does the XEP-0198 guidance after the figure interact with the = guidance saying the closing party SHOULD close the stream? That would = seem to imply one SHOULD NOT keep the stream alive, since that would = involve not closing the stream. >>=20 (I see you responded to those in a separate email. I will address them = there.) [...] >=20 >> -- 3.8: >>=20 >> First paragraph says clients can use extra whitespace, but goes onto = say you SHOULD use WebSocket ping control frames. Does that mean we are = recommending _against_ using the extra whitespace? If so, I'd avoid = language saying you "can" do it in the first place, or add some = qualification to make it clear those are "standard" XMPP clients and = servers, but _WebSocket_ implementations SHOULD do things differently. >=20 > Right. We're mandating in Section 3.3.3 that every WebSocket message = begins with "<", which makes using whitespace pings problematic. >=20 >> Are the uses of XMPP Ping or Stream Management for this purpose = limited to the connection manager case? If not, does the aforementioned = SHOULD also recommend against doing these? >=20 > Using Ping or Stream Management is acceptable in any case, if = redundant, as it turns out browsers do not explicitly give developers = control over WebSocket pings. >=20 >=20 > My recommendation for preferred order of use of pinging mechanisms is: >=20 > 1. Use Stream Management acks to ping (they're smaller and give useful = info). > 2. Use XMPP Ping > 3. Use WebSocket ping control frames (mostly useful only if you're = using WebSocket outside of a browser, such as on the server side of the = connection). Sounds good to me, pending clarifying text. (I wonder if others agree = with those priorities?) >=20 >=20 >> -- 3.9: " ... enabling TLS SHOULD be done at the WebSocket layer ... = " >>=20 >> Why not MUST? Can you give guidance about when it might make sense = not to do it, and the consequences? >>=20 >> Does the possibility of a connection manager change anything? >=20 >=20 > Using MUST here does make more sense. TLS SHOULD be used, and if MUST = be enabled at the WebSocket layer. Sounds good. Any thoughts on the connection manager question? From nobody Tue Apr 22 13:58:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA261A0289 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezvidpUqtRTL for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB6A1A026B for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3MKvZiF019834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:57:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <2A544C87-700F-416A-A81E-99D386741310@andyet.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:57:35 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419893055.212313-5f0c326ce785ff07b2b56332226a6b60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9CDE7F63-ABA2-41C6-89A3-F399F2CE9D3D@nostrum.com> References: <2C46C537-4E3F-4C29-BD2C-AFA1A5D52717@nostrum.com> <60E5F9D6-0ED8-4801-838D-B669BEDA1DAE@andyet.net> <2A544C87-700F-416A-A81E-99D386741310@andyet.net> To: Lance Stout X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/hfTBwnOeULsGt3IGlIjNlEJXalQ Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] Comments on draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-05 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:58:08 -0000 On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Lance Stout wrote: >=20 > I seem to have missed a section. >=20 >=20 >> -- 3.6: >>=20 >> Do we have to worry about half-closes situations where the peer does = not respond in a timely manner? How about glare? >=20 > We're following the same procedure as in RFC 6120 Section 4.4 (with = the substitution of instead of ) >=20 > Would referencing that section be sufficient to address this, or do I = need to include that language in this document? That gets down into esoterica about whether you would expect an update = to that section of 6120 to impact this draft. But in general I'm okay = with either approach as long as it is clear, and we don't end up with = dueling 2119 language between here and 6120. >=20 >=20 >> How does the XEP-0198 guidance after the figure interact with the = guidance saying the closing party SHOULD close the stream? That would = seem to imply one SHOULD NOT keep the stream alive, since that would = involve not closing the stream. >=20 > The closing party ought to do the polite thing and first end the XMPP = stream and then the WebSocket connection. In which case, the stream is = closed when the other party replies with a close, and the server = considers the session ended. The use of XEP-0198 is irrelevant in this = case, as the XMPP session is ended regardless. >=20 > However, if the WebSocket connection happens to close before the XMPP = stream is closed (network loss, etc), then: >=20 > XEP-0198 not enabled: consider the XMPP stream implicitly closed, = and end the XMPP session. > XEP-0198 enabled: keep the XMPP session alive for a configured = period of time to allow resumption, as described in XEP-0198 Okay, so the use of XEP-0198 does not absolve you from closing the = stream. That seems to be the way the text currently rendered, but some = notes to that effect might make it easier to understand. OTOH, do I = infer correctly that failure to close the stream does no harm under any = circumstances? If true, do we really need that SHOULD, rather than just = something to the effect of your "... ought to do the polite thing..." = comment? > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Tue Apr 22 14:49:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0181A028B for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jcEIgUIfZKn for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78811A0284 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3MLngJT024108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:49:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:49:42 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419896182.78686-d116eba4e718dac2c25c63cfe2ab15ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> References: To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/NzqjR3B_grzOUZdFzRbQX4BvjYg Cc: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:49:55 -0000 Hi, The WGLC has completed. Authors, please let the list know when you = believe all feedback has been addressed. (Note: "addressed" does not = necessarily mean "accepted".) Thanks! Ben. On Apr 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > This is a Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02. The = draft is available at the following URL: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 >=20 > The WGLC will conclude on 21 April, 2014. Please send your comments to = the authors and the XMPP mailing list. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ben. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Tue Apr 22 15:22:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006851A0282; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K_9DdW87801j; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7861A028D; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:22:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.3.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140422222220.12663.82881.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:22:20 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/huz-FUB9WwWFncu88JSpBDEvCJU Cc: xmpp@ietf.org Subject: [xmpp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-06.txt X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 22:22:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : An XMPP Sub-protocol for WebSocket Authors : Lance Stout Jack Moffitt Eric Cestari Filename : draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2014-04-22 Abstract: This document defines a binding for the XMPP protocol over a WebSocket transport layer. A WebSocket binding for XMPP provides higher performance than the current HTTP binding for XMPP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 22 15:28:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D271A0298 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:28:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUf-QVKAGth5 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEC91A0282 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x10so84228pdj.37 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:message-id:mime-version :subject:date:references:cc:to; bh=UpZs6lDLDYhSg6fbx6KfgIPFPIZ6trsY5GEjM/MvuyI=; b=E3AhKrMoqOByr7KbpGUoJ4tzSnx4lN5LDXyfDba1qBXc7Ocht3js9JBnLoWQNJpeqb hmY0obT0UMZS1sbYCEM0GqmH8kwyyTqgUQFFStnqlWFmAvD4WoTSgiMTGaZJwBGAfFyh TW/7jpz9X5p9e5tIflL0ZswKFM3d0xvqXF0rEn1l8w22QNe5DcxUaW9sv4qs+gf+bIsx yvy8/7K9ZIEATCWlg4znnnalbajyWMoo36A1+hv8Gaj3GqwLzqqbmRUV+euViVPBYRcO i+QmcLYDvJYdVxghdxYLbcWIhNBINh7crZpKzJcdPIZZdptgCMXLqRClO5n2O5UqDVae eGDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmooDsVTsZP01/DXfvtoNWQHdoXNr4R00z+y+yYWCLLcRXObiT3r1ZSikcLkXFbHmwm9COi X-Received: by 10.68.163.197 with SMTP id yk5mr47696081pbb.57.1398205695608; Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.55] (66-191-14-77.static.knwc.wa.charter.com. 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[66.191.14.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xg4sm87342621pbb.47.2014.04.22.16.29.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_54119639-3748-42DB-8F42-2D834F87E582"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:29:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> References: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> To: Ben Campbell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/w8rhBSH_F1k3hVyPLmsVxNz1VKY Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:29:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_54119639-3748-42DB-8F42-2D834F87E582 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 22, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > The WGLC has completed. Authors, please let the list know when you = believe all feedback has been addressed. (Note: "addressed" does not = necessarily mean "accepted".) Draft -06 has been published, which I believe addresses all feedback so = far. I note there is a pending question on connection managers, but I don't = believe that the use of a connection manager affects any of the actions = prescribed in the latest document. CMs should be transparent. We do have Security Considerations listed in XEP-0124 for BOSH = connection managers, which amount to 'use TLS from the CM to the = backend', and 'use e2e encryption on the client' because guaranteeing = anything about a CM's behaviour is beyond scope. 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[173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3NJ1ixF004890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:01:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:01:45 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419972505.623791-f6dec6276cedd8175b8a3002a6961fbb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04EC25AC-024A-4906-AD53-4631C3DE18EA@nostrum.com> References: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> To: Lance Stout , Florian Zeitz , binary@jrudevels.org, 9ordin@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/bAeWmfKL00jHI2tT-GOtxtNjdos Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:02:05 -0000 Hi Florian, Sergey, and Gordin (and any WGLC commenters that I might = have missed) Can you confirm to the list that your comments have been addressed, = either in the current version or through conversation? Thanks! Ben. On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Lance Stout wrote: >=20 > On Apr 22, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>=20 >> The WGLC has completed. Authors, please let the list know when you = believe all feedback has been addressed. (Note: "addressed" does not = necessarily mean "accepted".) >=20 > Draft -06 has been published, which I believe addresses all feedback = so far. >=20 >=20 > I note there is a pending question on connection managers, but I don't = believe that the use of a connection manager affects any of the actions = prescribed in the latest document. CMs should be transparent. >=20 >=20 > We do have Security Considerations listed in XEP-0124 for BOSH = connection managers, which amount to 'use TLS from the CM to the = backend', and 'use e2e encryption on the client' because guaranteeing = anything about a CM's behaviour is beyond scope. I can expand the = Security Considerations for this document to do the same, if people deem = that necessary._______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Wed Apr 23 12:07:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7461A048F for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30saUAU6Q8cX for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5311A048A for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3NJ7FUK005354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:07:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <5316813E.3020901@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:07:15 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419972835.744379-031281be9c9374ed99cd96753370c387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <460F5B58-D3B6-4BF2-8382-0FB59F3ED102@nostrum.com> References: <5316813E.3020901@stpeter.im> To: Peter Saint-Andre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/ZaA2qWK6Aob4m-v9RqorPWN3W1I Cc: Jonathan Lennox , "xmpp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [xmpp] See-other-uri and insecure web sockets X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:07:28 -0000 Peter, Kevin, and Jonathan, In your opinions, is this sufficiently addressed in the current version = of the draft? Thanks! Ben. On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Peter Saint-Andre = wrote: > On 3/4/14, 4:44 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jonathan Lennox = wrote: >>> As requested -- I reviewed the text forbidding see-other-uri = downgrading in the current version of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket, and I'm = happy with it. >>>=20 >>> What I was responding to at the mic was a comment that StPeter made = during his presentation, suggesting that in addition, a future version = of the draft would recommend that see-other-uri received over an = insecure (ws or http) connection should be ignored. >>=20 >> It feels to me like there are potentially auth mechanism downgrade >> attacks associated here, if people were to do the Wrong Thing. So I >> think at least a note is worthwhile. >>=20 >> The document does, though, tell everyone to do wss, so this is >> arguably not an issue. >=20 > Personally I see no harm in a bit of text that reinforces the point. >=20 > Peter >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp From nobody Wed Apr 23 12:24:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003571A049A for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJ9z2HrjwsGt for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA2F1A04FA for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s3NJOQdw006797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:24:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:24:27 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 419973867.001563-8945aade8d22b9522e301c8d643e0abb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6322B641-3846-4A62-9BBC-0A8A30F50DE6@nostrum.com> References: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> To: Lance Stout X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/lXRuHRFEEibyFNBgl5gu8HJpQLE Cc: XMPP Working Group Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:24:40 -0000 On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Lance Stout wrote: >=20 > On Apr 22, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>=20 >> The WGLC has completed. Authors, please let the list know when you = believe all feedback has been addressed. (Note: "addressed" does not = necessarily mean "accepted".) >=20 > Draft -06 has been published, which I believe addresses all feedback = so far. >=20 >=20 > I note there is a pending question on connection managers, but I don't = believe that the use of a connection manager affects any of the actions = prescribed in the latest document. CMs should be transparent. >=20 >=20 > We do have Security Considerations listed in XEP-0124 for BOSH = connection managers, which amount to 'use TLS from the CM to the = backend', and 'use e2e encryption on the client' because guaranteeing = anything about a CM's behaviour is beyond scope. I can expand the = Security Considerations for this document to do the same, if people deem = that necessary. So here's the basis of all of my connection manager questions. This may = be based on a completely wrong understanding of connection managers on = my part, so do not hesitate to tell me I am clueless if that's the case. = :-) If an XMPP implementation, especially a server, is behind a connection = manager, is it aware of that fact? Is it assumed to implement this = draft? Are we requiring special behavior of the server, without the = server knowing it needs to do it? If the answer is yes, then I may have concerns in two areas: 1) Is the connection manager expected to "adapt" server behavior to = follow this draft? 2) What is the impact of adding a new TLS intermediary, when the server = expects a direct SA with the client? Your comment above _might_ be = sufficient, but is there any plain vanilla XMPP server behavior and/or = security assumptions that break down? Any concerns from a SASL = perspective? From nobody Thu Apr 24 10:01:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xmpp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49D61A02AD for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qK3-7JwLjTbm for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675B71A0298 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q5so1427199wiv.16 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hdWy9Nt63ouRI1V0wlAdGrzHUJ3I8E3ibuS2Uf/mdEs=; b=J7DU/jgE+CCelFiLLSSwcRTQ+7aA9Ke62En38fXiOJp+TzVTtohlIS1v91m1X/ZSTg Rx5VT2lwH+mubH64ZmxUs8xmlvVk0rFySBLFWYaZXBVVq9Hw1pFqdSHCMR7ouClsh0GX 7/ZPKwnVreLfdcNEFesFblkQ13UPepY4TvXkj4Nsjghw0DchzZaQLsCfhYUdiyLgyrxp rT4DOZdqu3sEXeTePu9FjXjmaAoqdjeGsIdjfaiyg7SpIGj+iiX4s5CAoiOEw0aq8ASm F2uMQrs6yrMoyZoCN7TWgCUkJIJENeW3b5oeygEwc1Ssh5lp+Kwj3WaF/FoT/2EEg3ht ZACw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.74.132 with SMTP id t4mr7406055wiv.30.1398358899829; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: k.i.smith@gmail.com Received: by 10.217.96.196 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:01:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <460F5B58-D3B6-4BF2-8382-0FB59F3ED102@nostrum.com> References: <5316813E.3020901@stpeter.im> <460F5B58-D3B6-4BF2-8382-0FB59F3ED102@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:01:39 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AeRpOnnT9lMX6JVLf2Bzlrg9H3c Message-ID: From: Kevin Smith To: Ben Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/sTJoJSKtuUeB7uoJtRjvAFC7sVI Cc: Jonathan Lennox , "xmpp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [xmpp] See-other-uri and insecure web sockets X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kevin@kismith.co.uk List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:01:48 -0000 On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Peter, Kevin, and Jonathan, > > In your opinions, is this sufficiently addressed in the current version of the draft? Yes, thank you. 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[96.41.205.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xg8sm126674194pac.26.2014.04.29.22.06.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F23A65A5-DE4C-4B5A-B7E1-10EA1245B316"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Lance Stout In-Reply-To: <6322B641-3846-4A62-9BBC-0A8A30F50DE6@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:06:41 -0700 Message-Id: References: <9372C947-DE5D-4115-B1DD-3E1D216C9D62@nostrum.com> <9D46867E-ADA1-4530-AF23-B43AC6E68B3E@andyet.net> <6322B641-3846-4A62-9BBC-0A8A30F50DE6@nostrum.com> To: XMPP Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xmpp/BoVQY7L5D4qPqgKEOVbaq0cYS1I Cc: Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [xmpp] WGLC of draft-ietf-xmpp-websocket-02 X-BeenThere: xmpp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:06:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F23A65A5-DE4C-4B5A-B7E1-10EA1245B316 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > If an XMPP implementation, especially a server, is behind a connection = manager, is it aware of that fact? No. It is either aware because the two were configured in tandem within = the same administrative context, or it sees what appear to be standard = TCP C2S sessions. > Is it assumed to implement this draft? Are we requiring special = behavior of the server, without the server knowing it needs to do it? It is not assumed that the server does anything special to facilitate = using this draft. In that case a CM would need to translate the TCP C2S = session to this draft. > If the answer is yes, then I may have concerns in two areas: >=20 > 1) Is the connection manager expected to "adapt" server behavior to = follow this draft? If the target server does not support this draft natively, then a CM = will have to: 1. Translate the and elements back and forth from = 2. Emit elements with see-other-uri values, as needed by the CM 3. For any other terminal CM condition, emit the corresponding = traditional stream error (NOTE: This case is not mentioned in the draft) 4. Marshal all other stanzas and top level elements in and out of = WebSocket message frames =20 > 2) What is the impact of adding a new TLS intermediary, when the = server expects a direct SA with the client? Your comment above _might_ = be sufficient, but is there any plain vanilla XMPP server behavior = and/or security assumptions that break down? Any concerns from a SASL = perspective? I'm not aware of any new difficulties here; the same situations exist = for BOSH already. A server that expects to use mechanisms which assume = no intermediaries will fail (as designed!) when put behind a CM that can = not share such information with the server. So SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS will = fail, as well as EXTERNAL with client certs. Note that we aren't able to = use SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS in the browser anyway, as we can't access channel = binding information. I can imagine for large deployments, the CM could contain the = authentication logic, passing on a trusted authenticated stream to the = main XMPP server for routing. 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List-Id: XMPP Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:40:37 -0000 Hi, 6122bis and XMPP/Websocket are passed WGLC without major controversy, = and our other milestones are probably not in a state to benefit from = intensive face to face communication at this moment. The chairs are = leaning against having an XMPP meeting in Toronto. If anyone has a substantial objection to that plan, please indicate so = on the working group list as soon as possible. Thanks! Ben.=