From nobody Fri Jul 1 01:06:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C71712D1F0 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:06:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wbFpu6nnAR01 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A0B12D1EA for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 025071AE0398; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:06:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20160701.100641.115244064081692752.mbj@tail-f.com> To: mjethanandani@gmail.com From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.3 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] RFC 2119 language in YANG models X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 08:06:19 -0000 Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > As YANG modules are written in the context of a RFC standard, it is > natural to see some of the RFC 2119 language in YANG models when > citing some portion of the RFC to describe the attribute. But what > does the language mean for the YANG model itself? > > For example, if the standard says the default max-count value SHOULD > be 32768, one can set the default value to 32768. But what happens if > someone through deviation wants to set a different default value? Will > that request be rejected? What happens if we s/SHOULD/MUST/? If the standard says MUST use default max-count, it is pretty clear that it is appropriate to use a "default" statement in the corresponding YANG module. If the statement says SHOULD use, maybe the YANG module shouldn't have a default statement. We can probably not have a clear rule anyway. > Or how about this - This parameter MUST be generated > pseudo-randomly. I do not know how to model this. This is is fairly easy to model, but before theorizing, do you have a concrete use case in mind? I suspect that these exact words are not very common for configuration parameters. > My initial take is that one can try to model RFC 2119 language in > YANG, but RFC 2119 language applies to implementation more than it > applies to the YANG model itself. I certainly do not know how to model > MAY or RECOMMEND or SHALL or SHALL NOT. SHALL == MUST so that should be easy, right? /martin From nobody Fri Jul 1 02:07:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370FB12D0D3 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 02:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m7ovTSaoOR1g for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 02:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDA212D50C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 02:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.147.40.108] (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE10D1AE0398; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:07:08 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_02B2DE56-7D42-4C1C-8F24-181E3CB6E663"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:07:07 +0200 Message-Id: <76DA24D5-180C-43BC-BEF9-58491D5C954D@tail-f.com> References: To: Mahesh Jethanandani X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] RFC 2119 language in YANG models X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 09:07:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_02B2DE56-7D42-4C1C-8F24-181E3CB6E663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > As YANG modules are written in the context of a RFC standard, it is = natural to see some of the RFC 2119 language in YANG models when citing = some portion of the RFC to describe the attribute. But what does the = language mean for the YANG model itself? >=20 > For example, if the standard says the default max-count value SHOULD = be 32768, one can set the default value to 32768. But what happens if = someone through deviation wants to set a different default value? Will = that request be rejected? What happens if we s/SHOULD/MUST/? The YANG modeler will have to make a call: inserting a default statement = into the YANG effectively turns the SHOULD into a MUST. There may = perhaps be situations where this is warranted, but the typical way to = model this would probably be to have no YANG default stmt in the module, = just keep the leaf optional and include the SHOULD passage in the = description field for implementers to consider. A side note may be that an RFC that uses SHOULD for a default value = isn't promoting interoperability as much as it could. Another related case is when an RFC says "the implementation SHOULD = supply a configuration setting for xxx". I would say that translates to = a leaf with an if-feature statement. If the RFC test already says MUST, then things are easy. Just add = default statements, leafs etc. > Or how about this - This parameter MUST be generated pseudo-randomly. = I do not know how to model this. For config true elements, that would go in the description. For config = false elements, I guess there's no need to include this in the YANG. The = implementor would have to read the root (e.g. protocol) RFC to know what = to implement. If the MUST passage is there, that should be enough. > My initial take is that one can try to model RFC 2119 language in = YANG, but RFC 2119 language applies to implementation more than it = applies to the YANG model itself. I certainly do not know how to model = MAY or RECOMMEND or SHALL or SHALL NOT. As Martin noted, SHALL and SHALL NOT are probably easy (=3DMUST). 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Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:53:14 GMT To: Rob Shakir , Martin Bjorklund References: <88e2d35d-ab57-e6be-eeb6-e97e04854ede@cisco.com> <2274b809-431b-fa17-c81d-918b23c0bc4b@cisco.com> <20160609.121340.1844771730955353773.mbj@tail-f.com> <2A477DAD-04A8-40EE-B3EC-BF29AD17A164@rob.sh> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:53:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A2705C81FF0F648D7FCB5A6F" Archived-At: Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] https://github.com/YangModels/yang/tree/master/standard/ietf/RFC X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 08:53:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A2705C81FF0F648D7FCB5A6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Commit done, with 2 symbolic links. ls -lrt total 496 -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 12711 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-acm@2012-02-22.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 83002 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-ipfix-psamp@2012-09-05.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 20686 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-ip@2014-06-16.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24125 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-interfaces@2014-05-08.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 16772 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15876 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2010-09-24.yang lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise 31 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types -> ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2917 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-complex-types@2011-03-15.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 34701 Jul 1 17:52 iana-if-type.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4200 Jul 1 17:52 iana-crypt-hash@2014-08-06.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 3900 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-with-defaults.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 9556 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-time@2016-01-26.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2013 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-partial-lock.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10424 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-notifications.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17420 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-monitoring@2010-10-04.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6636 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-target.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4378 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-ssh.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4651 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-proxy.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6348 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-notification.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4289 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-engine.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 7463 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-community.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4916 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-common.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 26634 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf@2011-06-01.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17863 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15500 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2010-09-24.yang lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise 31 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types -> ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4980 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-smiv2@2012-06-22.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 7130 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10990 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-x509-cert-to-name.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2384 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-template@2010-05-18.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24103 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-system@2014-08-06.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2118 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10248 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-vacm.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6105 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-usm.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 3199 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tsm.yang -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6802 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tls.yang Only 2 symbolic btw, and not all of them. Regards, B. > On 6/9/2016 3:14 PM, Rob Shakir wrote: >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 04:13, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>> >>> However, I usually do not add the revision date to the file name. You >>> can't just update the file w/o updating the filename if you do this. >> >> This is what I’m sensitive to - I have tooling (e.g., unit tests) >> that retrieve the latest version of some IETF modules from the repo >> (e.g., [0]). If the name of the file has the revision date in it, >> then this means that one needs to list out the files (or get all >> files in the directory) and then find the latest version of the >> module (given the current absence of the catalogue service). >> >> It seems to me that maintaining at least the symlink that Juergen >> mentions in the repo would be desirable, since this avoids the issue >> above and maintains compatibility for clients that are already >> retrieving such files without caring about the revision [1]. > Fine with everybody? > > Regards, B. >> >> Thanks, >> r. >> >> [0]: >> https://github.com/robshakir/pyangbind/blob/master/tests/serialise/juniper-json-examples/run.py#L39-L55 >> [1]: Right now, both the example above and our internal tools that do >> the same kind of thing are broken. > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors --------------A2705C81FF0F648D7FCB5A6F Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,

Commit done, with 2 symbolic links.

ls -lrt
total 496
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 12711 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-acm@2012-02-22.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 83002 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-ipfix-psamp@2012-09-05.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 20686 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-ip@2014-06-16.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24125 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-interfaces@2014-05-08.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 16772 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15876 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2010-09-24.yang
lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise    31 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-inet-types -> ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2917 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-complex-types@2011-03-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 34701 Jul  1 17:52 iana-if-type.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4200 Jul  1 17:52 iana-crypt-hash@2014-08-06.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  3900 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-with-defaults.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  9556 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-time@2016-01-26.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2013 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-partial-lock.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10424 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-notifications.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17420 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-monitoring@2010-10-04.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6636 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-target.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4378 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-ssh.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4651 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-proxy.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6348 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-notification.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4289 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-engine.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  7463 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-community.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4916 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-common.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 26634 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf@2011-06-01.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17863 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15500 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2010-09-24.yang
lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise    31 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-types -> ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4980 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-smiv2@2012-06-22.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  7130 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10990 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-x509-cert-to-name.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2384 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-template@2010-05-18.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24103 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-system@2014-08-06.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2118 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10248 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-vacm.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6105 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-usm.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  3199 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tsm.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6802 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tls.yang

Only 2 symbolic btw, and not all of them.

Regards, B.

On 6/9/2016 3:14 PM, Rob Shakir wrote:

On Jun 9, 2016, at 04:13, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote:

However, I usually do not add the revision date to the file name.  You
can't just update the file w/o updating the filename if you do this.

This is what I’m sensitive to - I have tooling (e.g., unit tests) that retrieve the latest version of some IETF modules from the repo (e.g., [0]). If the name of the file has the revision date in it, then this means that one needs to list out the files (or get all files in the directory) and then find the latest version of the module (given the current absence of the catalogue service). 

It seems to me that maintaining at least the symlink that Juergen mentions in the repo would be desirable, since this avoids the issue above and maintains compatibility for clients that are already retrieving such files without caring about the revision [1].
Fine with everybody?

Regards, B.

Thanks,
r.

[1]: Right now, both the example above and our internal tools that do the same kind of thing are broken.



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<330E8448-FBA4-44C4-BD99-CBE9E50D6E33@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <330E8448-FBA4-44C4-BD99-CBE9E50D6E33@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:49:05 -0400 Message-ID: <047001d1d75a$df327730$9d976590$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0471_01D1D739.5821C190" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQKNykEXyOuJlKlHss+P5NWDrSk5jp6TIPxQ X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'YANG Doctors' , "'Alexander Clemm \(alex\)'" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 07:49:34 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0471_01D1D739.5821C190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kent:=20 =20 Thank you for the Yang Doctor reviews. The authors will respond to your = comments shortly.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 =20 Hi, =20 I am the assigned YANG doctor for this individual submission document. = This review regards the YANG modules alone. While I did read the draft, = I only did so to better understand the modules. Note: I was hoping the = draft would contain examples, but alas it does not. =20 This draft contains two yang modules: ietf-network and = ietf-network-topology - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing. =20 These modules are relatively small and straightforward, which makes = reviewing them easy. Below are some detailed comments on these two = modules. =20 ietf-network =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =C2=B7 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not = used in this module, though it is used by the ietf-network-topology = module. Should the =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved = to the ietf-network-topology module? =C2=B7 Why have top-level container = =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D? Why not have the = =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in = /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead? =20 =C2=B7 Is there a need to define any notifications in this = module? - or is the plan to leverage yang-push? =20 ietf-network-topology =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =C2=B7 The description statements for =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not helpful. The node is a URI, so I = expect the description statement to be mostly about setting the URI = value. Example URI values would be helpful. =C2=B7 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D = description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link connects a by Local = (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D =C2=B7 The sentence structure of the first sentence in the = =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs fixing. =C2=B7 Using uncommon acronyms is discouraged. Recommend = replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D = throughout. =C2=B7 Is the description statement for the grouping link-ref = missing the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D? =C2=B7 The description for = =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf = list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a list... =C2=B7 I notice that =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is = used on all leafrefs except source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this = intentional? =20 =20 Kent =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0471_01D1D739.5821C190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kent:

 

Thank = you for the Yang Doctor reviews.=C2=A0 The authors will respond to your = comments shortly.

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July = 5, 2016 2:55 PM
To: = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: YANG = Doctors
Subject: YANG Doctor Review of = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03

 

Hi,

 

I am the assigned = YANG doctor for this individual submission document.  This review = regards the YANG modules alone.  While I did read the draft, I only = did so to better understand the modules.   Note: I was hoping = the draft would contain examples, but alas it does = not.

 

This draft contains = two yang modules: ietf-network and = ietf-network-topology

    - ietf-network-topology = imports and augments ietf-network

    - = both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing.

 

These modules are = relatively small and straightforward, which makes reviewing them = easy.  Below are some detailed comments on these two = modules.

 

ietf-network

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7         = grouping = =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not used in this module, = though it is used by the ietf-network-topology module.  Should the = =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved to the = ietf-network-topology module?

=C2=B7         = Why have top-level container = =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D?   Why not have the = =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in = /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead?   

=C2=B7         = Is there a need to define any = notifications in this module?  - or is the plan to leverage = yang-push?

 

ietf-network-topology

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

=C2=B7         = The description statements for = =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not = helpful.  The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement = to be mostly about setting the URI value.  Example URI values would = be helpful.

=C2=B7         = Watch capitalization on the = =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link = connects a by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network = Nodes.=E2=80=9D

=C2=B7         = The sentence structure of the = first sentence in the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs = fixing.

=C2=B7         = Using uncommon acronyms is = discouraged.  Recommend replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with = =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D throughout.

=C2=B7         = Is the description statement for = the grouping link-ref missing the word = =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D?

=C2=B7         = The description for = =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf = list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a = list...

=C2=B7         = I notice that = =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is used on all leafrefs except = source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this = intentional?

 

 

Kent

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0471_01D1D739.5821C190-- From nobody Wed Jul 6 00:54:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7CE12D731; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.738 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PmCgJ2JH0opR; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (unknown [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9457912D6B3; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=184.157.81.45; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Carl Moberg \(camoberg\)'" , , "'YANG Doctors'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <049001d1d75b$92424f30$b6c6ed90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQGZMD88OhrfgYqTS+REAES95NTsVaB8VntQ X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctor review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-02 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 07:54:38 -0000 Carl:=20 Thank you for the yang doctor's review of = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-02.txt.=20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: Carl Moberg (camoberg) [mailto:camoberg@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 7:55 AM To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors Subject: YANG doctor review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-02 All, This is my review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-02 and the = included YANG modules. I am the assigned YANG doctor for this WG = document. The reviewed document includes the following YANG modules: - A module for Layer 3 Unicast IGP topology = (ietf-l3-unicast-igp-topology) - A module for OSPF topology (ietf-ospf-topology) - A module for IS-IS topology (ietf-isis-topology) Overall, the document is in reasonable shape (though in need of some = language editing) but needs more attention around its fundamental scope and some = high-level issues. My top-level feedback is that the relationships between the l3 unicast = IGP topology module and the protocol-specific ones are somewhat = under-explained. I don=E2=80=99t understand if the OSPF and IS-IS models are mere = examples or if the aim is to have them become normative. The modules = themselves are not marked as examples (no 'example-' prefix), but e.g. = the OSPF module is referred to as "[...] an example of how the general = topology model can be refined [=E2=80=A6]" in running text. If the protocol-specific modules are to become part of the normative = specification, I believe there needs to be additional work together with = the OSPF and IS-IS WGs and YANG authors to align efforts. IMHO the main = topic being what kind of share or reuse should we do across the = topology-centric models and the respective device layer modules = (ietf-ospf, ietf-isis). If the protocol-specific modules are to be classified as examples, I = would suggest that needs to be clearly stated, and the modules marked up = accordingly. I believe the above needs to be resolved before a more detailed review = of the OSPF and IS-IS modules and document sections can be done. The rest of this review focuses on some feedback on the layer 3 unicast = IGP topology section of the draft and associated YANG module = (ietf-network- topology). 1. All data definitions are optional configuration (e.g. no config = false, default values or mandatory statements). This seems to open up = for many odd combinations of e.g. existing and non-existing leafs in = node, link, and termination-points. This is also true for the = notifications. Is this by design or something that needs additional = work? 2. I might be missing something subtle here, but the 'network-ref', = 'node- ref', 'link-ref', and 'tp-ref' groupings seems to be copied from = ietf-network and ietf-network-topology. Unless there is some reasoning = behind this, it seems we could just drop them and use imported versions. 3. For the notifications, it is not clear to me what the semantics of = the *-attributes groupings are. Section 3.2 states that "[...] as a = convenience to applications, additional data of the affected node, or = link, or termination point (respectively) is included.". Does this mean = that the (optional) content of e.g. the igp-node-attributes grouping in = the igp-node-event notification always describes the running = configuration of the referenced node at the time of the notification? = Also assuming that that point in time is after the attribute- change event happened. I would suggest we need to be more = explicit in the running text as well as in the description field of the = events. 4. Another one on the notifications. The extensibility model of the = notifications seems to be based on augmenting a presence container into = the top-level of each notification. E.g. the isis module examplifies = this by augmenting the isis-topology-type container into = /l3t:igp-node-event. This means that the resulting igp-node-event now = has two topology type-containers, one from the main module (called = 'l3-unicast-igp-topology') and one from the isis-module (called 'isis'). = Are there any semantics implicit in the combinationi (e.g. should = isis-related notifications only include the isis- container)? 5. A couple of smaller nits: - This has been discussed (and I haven't seen any formal conclusions), = but I suggest we don't need value-statements for enums - The import prefixes are not aliged with the prefixes in the imported = modules: + ietf-network is imported with prefix 'nw', while the module itself = has 'nd' + ietf-network-topology is imported with prefix 'nt', while the module = itself has 'lnk' Regards, -- Carl Moberg camoberg@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 6 02:05:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDEC12D17A for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 02:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.275 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.275 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRBV-uL3949O for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 02:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cappuccino.rob.sh (cappuccino.rob.sh [IPv6:2a03:9800:10:4c::cafe:b00c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65F0C12D18B for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 02:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [188.29.164.97] (helo=[172.20.10.5]) by cappuccino.rob.sh with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1bKilT-0006Pz-3I; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:05:04 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-EEED2E4A-AA64-42F1-9F68-C5D2E0E7CE22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rob Shakir Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:13:18 -0600 Message-Id: <282A010E-1685-4EF8-A7F6-29C9FF8B86FF@rob.sh> References: <88e2d35d-ab57-e6be-eeb6-e97e04854ede@cisco.com> <2274b809-431b-fa17-c81d-918b23c0bc4b@cisco.com> <20160609.121340.1844771730955353773.mbj@tail-f.com> <2A477DAD-04A8-40EE-B3EC-BF29AD17A164@rob.sh> In-Reply-To: To: Benoit Claise X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13E238) Archived-At: Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] https://github.com/YangModels/yang/tree/master/standard/ietf/RFC X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:05:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-EEED2E4A-AA64-42F1-9F68-C5D2E0E7CE22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, Thanks for this. To resolve our internal tools, I had already forked the rep= ository and changed our tooling to not use this one - but I will be interest= ed to track the conclusion.=20 Thanks, r.=20 Sent from my iPad > On Jul 4, 2016, at 02:53, Benoit Claise wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Commit done, with 2 symbolic links.=20 >=20 > ls -lrt > total 496 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 12711 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-acm@2012-02-2= 2.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 83002 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-ipfix-psamp@2012-09-0= 5.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 20686 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-ip@2014-06-16.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24125 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-interfaces@2014-05-08= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 16772 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15876 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2010-09-24= .yang > lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise 31 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-inet-types -> ietf-in= et-types@2013-07-15.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2917 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-complex-types@2011-03= -15.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 34701 Jul 1 17:52 iana-if-type.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4200 Jul 1 17:52 iana-crypt-hash@2014-08-06= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 3900 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-with-defaults= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 9556 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-time@2016-01-= 26.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2013 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-partial-lock.= yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10424 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-notifications= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17420 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf-monitoring@20= 10-10-04.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6636 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-target.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4378 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-ssh.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4651 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-proxy.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6348 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-notification.yan= g > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4289 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-engine.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 7463 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-community.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4916 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-common.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 26634 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-netconf@2011-06-01.ya= ng > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17863 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15500 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2010-09-24= .yang > lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise 31 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-types -> ietf-ya= ng-types@2013-07-15.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 4980 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-smiv2@2012-06-22= .yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 7130 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-yang-library@2016-06-= 21.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10990 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-x509-cert-to-name.yan= g > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2384 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-template@2010-05-18.y= ang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24103 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-system@2014-08-06.yan= g > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 2118 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10248 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-vacm.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6105 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-usm.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 3199 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tsm.yang > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 6802 Jul 1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tls.yang >=20 > Only 2 symbolic btw, and not all of them. >=20 > Regards, B. >=20 >>> On 6/9/2016 3:14 PM, Rob Shakir wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 04:13, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> However, I usually do not add the revision date to the file name. You >>>> can't just update the file w/o updating the filename if you do this. >>>=20 >>> This is what I=E2=80=99m sensitive to - I have tooling (e.g., unit tests= ) that retrieve the latest version of some IETF modules from the repo (e.g.,= [0]). If the name of the file has the revision date in it, then this means t= hat one needs to list out the files (or get all files in the directory) and t= hen find the latest version of the module (given the current absence of the c= atalogue service).=20 >>>=20 >>> It seems to me that maintaining at least the symlink that Juergen mentio= ns in the repo would be desirable, since this avoids the issue above and mai= ntains compatibility for clients that are already retrieving such files with= out caring about the revision [1]. >> Fine with everybody? >>=20 >> Regards, B. >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> r. >>>=20 >>> [0]: https://github.com/robshakir/pyangbind/blob/master/tests/serialise/= juniper-json-examples/run.py#L39-L55 >>> [1]: Right now, both the example above and our internal tools that do th= e same kind of thing are broken. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> yang-doctors mailing list >> yang-doctors@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors >=20 --Apple-Mail-EEED2E4A-AA64-42F1-9F68-C5D2E0E7CE22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Benoit,

Thanks for this. To resolv= e our internal tools, I had already forked the repository and changed our to= oling to not use this one - but I will be interested to track the conclusion= . 

Thanks,
r. 

Sent fr= om my iPad

On Jul 4, 2016, at 02:53, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:

=
=20 =20 =20
Hi,

Commit done, with 2 symbolic links.

ls -lrt
total 496
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 12711 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-acm@2012-02-22.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 83002 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-ipfix-psamp@2012-09-05.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 20686 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-ip@2014-06-16.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24125 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-interfaces@2014-05-08.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 16772 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15876 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-inet-types@2010-09-24.yang
lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise    31 Jul  1 17:52 ie= tf-inet-types -> ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2917 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-complex-types@2011-03-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 34701 Jul  1 17:52 iana-if-type.yang=
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4200 Jul  1 17:52 iana-crypt-hash@2014-08-06.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  3900 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-with-defaults.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  9556 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-time@2016-01-26.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2013 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-partial-lock.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10424 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-notifications.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17420 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf-monitoring@2010-10-04.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6636 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-target.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4378 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-ss= h.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4651 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-proxy.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6348 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-notification.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4289 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-engine.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  7463 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-community.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4916 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-common.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 26634 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-netconf@2011-06-01.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 17863 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 15500 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-types@2010-09-24.yang
lrwxrwxrwx 1 bclaise bclaise    31 Jul  1 17:52 ie= tf-yang-types -> ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  4980 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-smiv2@2012-06-22.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  7130 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10990 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-x509-cert-to-name.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2384 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-template@2010-05-18.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 24103 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-system@2014-08-06.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  2118 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp.ya= ng
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise 10248 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-vacm.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6105 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-us= m.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  3199 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-ts= m.yang
-rw-rw-r-- 1 bclaise bclaise  6802 Jul  1 17:52 ietf-snmp-tl= s.yang

Only 2 symbolic btw, and not all of them.

Regards, B.

On 6/9/2016 3:14 PM, Rob Shakir wrote:

On Jun 9, 2016, at 04:13, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote:

However= , I usually do not add the revision date to the file name.  You
can't just update the file w/o updating the filename if you do this.

This is what I=E2=80=99m sensitive to - I have tooli= ng (e.g., unit tests) that retrieve the latest version of some IETF modules from the repo (e.g., [0]). If the name of the file has the revision date in it, then this means that one needs to list out the files (or get all files in the directory) and then find the latest version of the module (given the current absence of the catalogue service). 

It seems to me that maintaining at least the symlink that Juergen mentions in the repo would be desirable, since this avoids the issue above and maintains compatibility for clients that are already retrieving such files without caring about the revision [1].
Fine with everybody?

Regards, B.

Thanks,
r.

[0]: https://github.com/robshakir/pyangbind/blo= b/master/tests/serialise/juniper-json-examples/run.py#L39-L55
[1]: Right now, both the example above and our internal tools that do the same kind of thing are broken.



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Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors , "draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org" , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 01:25:29 -0000 --001a11440b643c916a053715ad3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, 2 concerns: 1) separate config and state as best practice. IMO this is not correct. If the state has no meaning unless the config exists, then it is fine to put the config=3Dfalse nodes under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances) 2) server-defined extension I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reasonable definition. Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provide a value? (pick 1) Isn't this situation already covered by YANG since it never says creating or modifying data can only be done by a client? Andy On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: > Hi Kent, > > > > thank you for your review! > > > > Please find replies inline, . > > > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM > *To:* 'Kent Watsen' ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'YANG Doctors' ; Alexander Clemm (alex) < > alex@cisco.com> > *Subject:* RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Kent: > > > > Thank you for the Yang Doctor reviews. The authors will respond to your > comments shortly. > > > > Sue > > > > *From:* Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM > *To:* draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* YANG Doctors > *Subject:* YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I am the assigned YANG doctor for this individual submission document. > This review regards the YANG modules alone. While I did read the draft, = I > only did so to better understand the modules. Note: I was hoping the > draft would contain examples, but alas it does not. > > > > This draft contains two yang modules: ietf-network and > ietf-network-topology > > - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network > > - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing. > > > > These modules are relatively small and straightforward, which makes > reviewing them easy. Below are some detailed comments on these two modul= es. > > > > ietf-network > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not use= d in this module, > though it is used by the ietf-network-topology module. Should the > =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved to the ietf-network-t= opology module? > > You are correct that the grouping is not actually used in this > module. The reason we had it in ietf-network was basically as a > convenience, expecting that other modules will need to import the same > module. For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not > to, we would actually prefer to keep it. > > =C2=B7 Why have top-level container =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80= =9D? Why not have > the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/n= d:network/ > instead? > > The server-provided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth. > We are actually not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the > model either; in fact in the ODL implementation it is part of > /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversi= al > discussions surrounding it. The reason for the separate container was th= e > =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state b= ranches. While we > have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that = =E2=80=9Cbest > practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed. > > > > Based on your comments, we will strike the branch then. We will move the > leaf back into the main branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG > extension to tag whether an instance is server provided or not. We will > run this by you in the next revision. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is there a need to define any notifications in this module= ? - > or is the plan to leverage yang-push? > > We did not really foresee the need for notifications that would be > specific to networks and network topologies. Updates on topologies, > including topology changes, could be sent using yang-push, as you > indicate. If topology changes would have to be always notified, I guess > there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notifications that > would be available independent of YANG-push. However, that would impose > the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D. > > > > That said, there is one type of notifications that might be worth > considering, namely cases in which something in an underlay topology > changes, that impacts something in an overlay topology. In the event tha= t > you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the > physical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a no= de > that no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we hav= e > =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs i= n the model). In > such a case, one might arguably build a case to request a notification wh= en > a change in a server-provided instance causes a configured instance to no > longer be in a state where has the intended =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D. > > > > There are reasons to not introduce a notification for this case: for one, > it again imposes the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps > something that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology mo= nitoring > model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model. Also, it might result in = redundant > notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of the same > network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly a large > volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be wor= th the > while given that these will in general be only very transient conditions > and applications =E2=80=9Cowning=E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt r= emappings. > > > > For those reasons, my preference would be to not introduce notifications > at this point. Please let us know if you think we should reconsider. > > > > > > ietf-network-topology > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 The description statements for =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D a= nd =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not > helpful. The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be > mostly about setting the URI value. Example URI values would be helpful. > > > > I will add some more text. That said, the precise structure will > generally be picked by an implementation. > > > > =C2=B7 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D descrip= tion statement: =E2=80=9CA > Network Link connects a by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) > Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 The sentence structure of the first sentence in the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D > description statement needs fixing. > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Using uncommon acronyms is discouraged. Recommend replaci= ng > =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D throughout. > > Will check to make sure we expand it where possible in the > descriptions. In the names, we do not plan to replace it due to length > considertations. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is the description statement for the grouping link-ref mis= sing > the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D? > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 The description for =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point= =E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf > list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a list... > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 I notice that =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is = used on all leafrefs > except source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this intentional? > > Good point. The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source/des= tination > leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D relationshi= ps in the same > network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships. The scena= rio we were > concerned about is the one in which a (server-provided) resource in an > underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configured) resource in an > overlay. Within a topology, everything is either server provided or > configured; we do not have a mix of the two; therefore the scenario of a > leafref without valid instance is something that really is not applicable= . > That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn why we should not allow to relax = this, so > let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those = nodes. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > --001a11440b643c916a053715ad3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

2 concerns:

1) separate config and state as best practice.
IMO this is not = correct.=C2=A0 If the state has no meaning unless
the config exis= ts, then it is fine to put the config=3Dfalse nodes
under the con= fig=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances)

2) server-def= ined extension
I keep hearing about this but have never seen a re= asonable definition.
Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or M= AY provide a value?
(pick 1)

Isn't t= his situation already covered by YANG since it never says
creatin= g or modifying data can only be done by a client?

=
Andy

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clem= m (alex) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Ke= nt,

=C2=A0

thank= you for your review!

=C2=A0

Pleas= e find replies inline, <ALEX>.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--- A= lex

=C2=A0

From:= Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM
To: 'Kent Watsen' <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: 'YANG Doctors' <yang-doctors@ietf.org>; Alexander Clemm (alex)= <alex@cisco.com= >
Subject: RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo= -03

=C2=A0

Kent:=

=C2=A0

Thank= you for the Yang Doctor reviews.=C2=A0 The authors will respond to your co= mments shortly.

=C2=A0

Sue <= u>

=C2=A0

From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM
To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: YANG Doctors
Subject: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I am the assigned Y= ANG doctor for this individual submission document.=C2=A0 This review regar= ds the YANG modules alone.=C2=A0 While I did read the draft, I only did so = to better understand the modules.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note: I was hoping the draft would contain examples, but alas it does not.

=C2=A0

This draft contains= two yang modules: ietf-network and ietf-network-topology

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing.

=C2=A0

These modules are r= elatively small and straightforward, which makes reviewing them easy.=C2=A0= Below are some detailed comments on these two modules.

=C2=A0

ietf-network=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D= is defined but not used in this module, though it is used by the ietf-netw= ork-topology module.=C2=A0 Should the =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping s= hould be moved to the ietf-network-topology module?

<ALEX> You are correct that the grouping is not actually used in thi= s module.=C2=A0 The reason we had it in ietf-network was basically as a con= venience, expecting that other modules will need to import the same module.=C2=A0 For that reason, = unless you tell us there are strong reasons not to, we would actually prefe= r to keep it.</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why have top-level container =E2=80= =9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Why not have the =E2=80=9Cserver-pr= ovided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead? =C2= =A0=C2=A0

<ALEX> The server-provided leaf is an item that has gone back and fo= rth.=C2=A0 We are actually not entirely happy with the way it is currently = in the model either; in fact in the ODL implementation it is part of /nd:networks/nd:network, just= as you indicate and we had some controversial discussions surrounding it.= =C2=A0 The reason for the separate container was the =E2=80=9Cbest practice= =E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state branches.=C2=A0 While we have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because o= f that =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Based on your comments, we will strike the branch then.=C2=A0 We will move= the leaf back into the main branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG = extension to tag whether an instance is server provided or not.=C2=A0 We will run this by y= ou in the next revision.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is there a need to define any notif= ications in this module? =C2=A0- or is the plan to leverage yang-push?

<ALEX> We did not really foresee the need for notifications that wou= ld be specific to networks and network topologies.=C2=A0 Updates on topolog= ies, including topology changes, could be sent using yang-push, as you indicate.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If to= pology changes would have to be always notified, I guess there is a case th= at could be made to introduce custom notifications that would be available = independent of YANG-push.=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, that would impose the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80= =9D.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

That said, there is one type of notifications that might be worth consider= ing, namely cases in which something in an underlay topology changes, that = impacts something in an overlay topology.=C2=A0 In the event that you have e.g. a terminatio= n point that maps to a physical port, and the physical port is deleted, it = is possible for the overlay to refer to a node that no longer exists (this = is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we have =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs in= the model).=C2=A0 In such a case, one might arguably build a case to reque= st a notification when a change in a server-provided instance causes a conf= igured instance to no longer be in a state where has the intended =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

There are reasons to not introduce a notification for this case: for one, = it again imposes the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2= =80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps something that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology monitoring model= =E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model.=C2=A0 Also, it might result in re= dundant notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of the same network= /topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly a large volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not= be worth the while given that these will in general be only very transient= conditions and applications =E2=80=9Cowning=E2=80=9D the overlay will appl= y prompt remappings.

=C2=A0

For those reasons, my preference would be to not introduce notifications a= t this point.=C2=A0 Please let us know if you think we should reconsider.= =C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

ietf-network-topolo= gy

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description statements for =E2= =80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not helpful.=C2=A0 = The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be mostly about= setting the URI value.=C2=A0 Example URI values would be helpful.

=C2=A0

<ALEX> I will add some more text.=C2=A0 That said, the precise struc= ture will generally be picked by an implementation.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link connects a = by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D

<ALEX> Will fix the description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The sentence structure of the first= sentence in the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs fixing.=

<ALEX> Will fix the description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using uncommon acronyms is discoura= ged.=C2=A0 Recommend replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cterminati= on-point=E2=80=9D throughout.

<ALEX> Will check to make sure we expand it where possible in the de= scriptions.=C2=A0 In the names, we do not plan to replace it due to length = considertations.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the description statement for th= e grouping link-ref missing the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D?

<ALEX> Will fix the description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description for =E2=80=9Csuppor= ting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf list=E2=80=9D, though it= =E2=80=99s actually just a list...

<ALEX> Will fix the description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I notice that =E2=80=98require-inst= ance false=E2=80=99 is used on all leafrefs except source/dest-node and sou= rce/desy-tp, is this intentional?

<A= LEX> Good point.=C2=A0 The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source= /destination leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D = relationships in the same network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D r= elationships.=C2=A0 The scenario we were concerned about is the one in which a (server-provide= d) resource in an underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configured) r= esource in an overlay.=C2=A0 Within a topology, everything is either server= provided or configured; we do not have a mix of the two; therefore the scenario of a leafref without valid instan= ce is something that really is not applicable.=C2=A0 That said, I don=E2=80= =99t see a reaosn why we should not allow to relax this, so let=E2=80=99s a= dd =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those nodes.<= /u>

</= ALEX>

=C2=A0

Kent<= /span>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:03:39 -0000 --001a1143872856e5f00537170c16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think that config that immediately gets undone by the server stretches the definition of config=3Dtrue a bit too far. The so-called ephemeral datastore would be where you put config that is not subject to backup/restore. Andy On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: > Hi Andy, > > > > ok. So, with regards to 1, then we really don=E2=80=99t need the separate > networks-state container / branch. Will remove this. This is much > preferred actually. > > > > With regards to 2, this means that we should be fine with having the mode= l > all config, even in cases where the server creates / modifies data. The > =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Ch= int=E2=80=9D as to who populated > the data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data by > another client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will b= e > immediately =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D. This is something we can add to th= e text, in fact, > to the effect that regular clients should not be authorized to modify > network/topology instances that are server-provided. There was also a > concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to > backup and restore operations, which in the case of data that is populate > by a server would not be required, just like state data would not be > subjected to backup/restore. I think you are implying this should not be > an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provided data were restored, the server= could > essentially =E2=80=9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual. So I guess= this means we can > put this concern to rest. Then I think there is only one potential issue > that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuration data. This > would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80= =9D topology > information cannot be updated even by the server until the lock is > released. Presumably even this should be acceptable. > > > > I think this simplifies things. I will basically return the model to the > earlier version with the server-provided leaf as part of the rest of the > topology information, adding the points from the description from this > discussion. In that case, we would not even need a YANG extension (which > would be an alternative to the server-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, > we would introduce an extension =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D with a = boolean > argument). Does this sound acceptable to everyone? > > > > Thanks > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > 2 concerns: > > > > 1) separate config and state as best practice. > > IMO this is not correct. If the state has no meaning unless > > the config exists, then it is fine to put the config=3Dfalse nodes > > under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances) > > > > 2) server-defined extension > > I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reasonable definition. > > Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provide a value? > > (pick 1) > > > > Isn't this situation already covered by YANG since it never says > > creating or modifying data can only be done by a client? > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > > > thank you for your review! > > > > Please find replies inline, . > > > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM > *To:* 'Kent Watsen' ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'YANG Doctors' ; Alexander Clemm (alex) < > alex@cisco.com> > *Subject:* RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Kent: > > > > Thank you for the Yang Doctor reviews. The authors will respond to your > comments shortly. > > > > Sue > > > > *From:* Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM > *To:* draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* YANG Doctors > *Subject:* YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I am the assigned YANG doctor for this individual submission document. > This review regards the YANG modules alone. While I did read the draft, = I > only did so to better understand the modules. Note: I was hoping the > draft would contain examples, but alas it does not. > > > > This draft contains two yang modules: ietf-network and > ietf-network-topology > > - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network > > - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing. > > > > These modules are relatively small and straightforward, which makes > reviewing them easy. Below are some detailed comments on these two modul= es. > > > > ietf-network > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not use= d in this module, > though it is used by the ietf-network-topology module. Should the > =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved to the ietf-network-t= opology module? > > You are correct that the grouping is not actually used in this > module. The reason we had it in ietf-network was basically as a > convenience, expecting that other modules will need to import the same > module. For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not > to, we would actually prefer to keep it. > > =C2=B7 Why have top-level container =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80= =9D? Why not have > the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/n= d:network/ > instead? > > The server-provided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth. > We are actually not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the > model either; in fact in the ODL implementation it is part of > /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversi= al > discussions surrounding it. The reason for the separate container was th= e > =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state b= ranches. While we > have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that = =E2=80=9Cbest > practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed. > > > > Based on your comments, we will strike the branch then. We will move the > leaf back into the main branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG > extension to tag whether an instance is server provided or not. We will > run this by you in the next revision. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is there a need to define any notifications in this module= ? - > or is the plan to leverage yang-push? > > We did not really foresee the need for notifications that would be > specific to networks and network topologies. Updates on topologies, > including topology changes, could be sent using yang-push, as you > indicate. If topology changes would have to be always notified, I guess > there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notifications that > would be available independent of YANG-push. However, that would impose > the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D. > > > > That said, there is one type of notifications that might be worth > considering, namely cases in which something in an underlay topology > changes, that impacts something in an overlay topology. In the event tha= t > you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the > physical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a no= de > that no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we hav= e > =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs i= n the model). In > such a case, one might arguably build a case to request a notification wh= en > a change in a server-provided instance causes a configured instance to no > longer be in a state where has the intended =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D. > > > > There are reasons to not introduce a notification for this case: for one, > it again imposes the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps > something that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology mo= nitoring > model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model. Also, it might result in = redundant > notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of the same > network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly a large > volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be wor= th the > while given that these will in general be only very transient conditions > and applications =E2=80=9Cowning=E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt r= emappings. > > > > For those reasons, my preference would be to not introduce notifications > at this point. Please let us know if you think we should reconsider. > > > > > > ietf-network-topology > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 The description statements for =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D a= nd =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not > helpful. The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be > mostly about setting the URI value. Example URI values would be helpful. > > > > I will add some more text. That said, the precise structure will > generally be picked by an implementation. > > > > =C2=B7 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D descrip= tion statement: =E2=80=9CA > Network Link connects a by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) > Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 The sentence structure of the first sentence in the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D > description statement needs fixing. > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Using uncommon acronyms is discouraged. Recommend replaci= ng > =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D throughout. > > Will check to make sure we expand it where possible in the > descriptions. In the names, we do not plan to replace it due to length > considertations. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is the description statement for the grouping link-ref mis= sing > the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D? > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 The description for =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point= =E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf > list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a list... > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 I notice that =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is = used on all leafrefs > except source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this intentional? > > Good point. The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source/des= tination > leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D relationshi= ps in the same > network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships. The scena= rio we were > concerned about is the one in which a (server-provided) resource in an > underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configured) resource in an > overlay. Within a topology, everything is either server provided or > configured; we do not have a mix of the two; therefore the scenario of a > leafref without valid instance is something that really is not applicable= . > That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn why we should not allow to relax = this, so > let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those = nodes. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > --001a1143872856e5f00537170c16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I think that config that immediatel= y gets undone by the server stretches
the definition of config=3D= true a bit too far.


The so-called e= phemeral datastore would be where you put config that
is not subj= ect to backup/restore.


Andy


On T= hu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

=C2=A0

ok. So, with regards to 1, then we re= ally don=E2=80=99t need the separate networks-state container / branch.=C2= =A0 Will remove this.=C2=A0 This is much preferred actually.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

With regards to 2, this means that we= should be fine with having the model all config, even in cases where the s= erver creates / modifies data.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Chint=E2=80=9D as to who populated th= e data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data by another = client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will be immediat= ely =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 This is something we can add to the tex= t, in fact, to the effect that regular clients should not be authorized to mo= dify network/topology instances that are server-provided.=C2=A0 There was a= lso a concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to= backup and restore operations, which in the case of data that is populate by a server would not be required, ju= st like state data would not be subjected to backup/restore.=C2=A0 I think = you are implying this should not be an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provi= ded data were restored, the server could essentially =E2=80=9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual.=C2=A0 So I guess this me= ans we can put this concern to rest.=C2=A0 Then I think there is only one p= otential issue that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuratio= n data.=C2=A0 This would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver= -provided=E2=80=9D topology information cannot be updated even by the server until the lock i= s released.=C2=A0 Presumably even this should be acceptable.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I think this simplifies things.=C2=A0= I will basically return the model to the earlier version with the server-p= rovided leaf as part of the rest of the topology information, adding the points from the description from this discussion. In that case,= we would not even need a YANG extension (which would be an alternative to = the server-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, we would introduce an extens= ion =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D with a boolean argument).=C2=A0 Does this sound acceptable to everyone?=C2=A0 <= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-iet= f-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

2 concerns:

=C2=A0

1) separate config and state as best practice.

IMO this is not correct.=C2=A0 If the state has no m= eaning unless

the config exists, then it is fine to put the config= =3Dfalse nodes

under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances)=

=C2=A0

2) server-defined extension

I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reas= onable definition.

Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provi= de a value?

(pick 1)

=C2=A0

Isn't this situation already covered by YANG sin= ce it never says

creating or modifying data can only be done by a cli= ent?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Ke= nt,

=C2= =A0

thank= you for your review!

=C2= =A0

Pleas= e find replies inline, <ALEX>.=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

--- A= lex

=C2= =A0

From:= Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM
To: 'Kent Watsen' <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: 'YANG Doctors' <yang-doctors@ietf.org>; Alexander Clemm (alex)= <alex@cisco.com= >
Subject: RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo= -03

=C2=A0

Kent:

=C2= =A0

Thank= you for the Yang Doctor reviews.=C2=A0 The authors will respond to your co= mments shortly.

=C2= =A0

Sue

=C2= =A0

From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM
To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: YANG Doctors
Subject: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I am the assigned Y= ANG doctor for this individual submission document.=C2=A0 This review regar= ds the YANG modules alone.=C2=A0 While I did read the draft, I only did so to better understand the modules.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note: I was hopi= ng the draft would contain examples, but alas it does not.=

=C2=A0

This draft contains= two yang modules: ietf-network and ietf-network-topology<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing.

=C2=A0

These modules are r= elatively small and straightforward, which makes reviewing them easy.=C2=A0= Below are some detailed comments on these two modules.

=C2=A0

ietf-network=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D= is defined but not used in this module, though it is used by the ietf-netw= ork-topology module.=C2=A0 Should the =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping s= hould be moved to the ietf-network-topology module?

<ALEX> You are corr= ect that the grouping is not actually used in this module.=C2=A0 The reason= we had it in ietf-network was basically as a convenience, expecting that o= ther modules will need to import the same module.=C2=A0 For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not to, we wo= uld actually prefer to keep it.</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why have top-level container =E2=80= =9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Why not have the =E2=80=9Cserver-pr= ovided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead? =C2= =A0=C2=A0

<ALEX> The server-p= rovided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth.=C2=A0 We are actually= not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the model either; in fa= ct in the ODL implementation it is part of /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversial discussions surrounding= it.=C2=A0 The reason for the separate container was the =E2=80=9Cbest prac= tice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state branches.=C2=A0 While= we have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Based on your comments, w= e will strike the branch then.=C2=A0 We will move the leaf back into the ma= in branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG extension to tag whether a= n instance is server provided or not.=C2=A0 We will run this by you in the next revision.=C2=A0 <= /p>

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is there a need to define any notif= ications in this module? =C2=A0- or is the plan to leverage yang-push?

<ALEX> We did not r= eally foresee the need for notifications that would be specific to networks= and network topologies.=C2=A0 Updates on topologies, including topology ch= anges, could be sent using yang-push, as you indicate.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If topology changes would have to be always notified= , I guess there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notificati= ons that would be available independent of YANG-push.=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, = that would impose the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

That said, there is one t= ype of notifications that might be worth considering, namely cases in which= something in an underlay topology changes, that impacts something in an ov= erlay topology.=C2=A0 In the event that you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the ph= ysical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a node t= hat no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we have = =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs in the model).=C2=A0 In such a case, one might arguably build a c= ase to request a notification when a change in a server-provided instance c= auses a configured instance to no longer be in a state where has the intend= ed =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

There are reasons to not = introduce a notification for this case: for one, it again imposes the requi= rement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps so= mething that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology monitoring model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model.=C2=A0 Also, it m= ight result in redundant notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of= the same network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly= a large volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be worth the while given that these will in g= eneral be only very transient conditions and applications =E2=80=9Cowning= =E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt remappings.

=C2=A0

For those reasons, my pre= ference would be to not introduce notifications at this point.=C2=A0 Please= let us know if you think we should reconsider.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

ietf-network-topolo= gy

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description statements for =E2= =80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not helpful.=C2=A0 = The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be mostly about= setting the URI value.=C2=A0 Example URI values would be helpful.

=C2=A0

<ALEX> I will add s= ome more text.=C2=A0 That said, the precise structure will generally be pic= ked by an implementation.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link connects a = by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The sentence structure of the first= sentence in the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs fixing.=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using uncommon acronyms is discoura= ged.=C2=A0 Recommend replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cterminati= on-point=E2=80=9D throughout.

<ALEX> Will check t= o make sure we expand it where possible in the descriptions.=C2=A0 In the n= ames, we do not plan to replace it due to length considertations.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the description statement for th= e grouping link-ref missing the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D?=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description for =E2=80=9Csuppor= ting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf list=E2=80=9D, though it= =E2=80=99s actually just a list...

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I notice that =E2=80=98require-inst= ance false=E2=80=99 is used on all leafrefs except source/dest-node and sou= rce/desy-tp, is this intentional?

<A= LEX> Good point.=C2=A0 The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source= /destination leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D = relationships in the same network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships.= =C2=A0 The scenario we were concerned about is the one in which a (server-p= rovided) resource in an underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configu= red) resource in an overlay.=C2=A0 Within a topology, everything is either server provided or configured; we do not have a mix of the two; = therefore the scenario of a leafref without valid instance is something tha= t really is not applicable.=C2=A0 That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn w= hy we should not allow to relax this, so let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those nodes.

</= ALEX>

=C2=A0

Kent<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:31:37 -0000 --001a113ab81a40e1a105371770b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think you have to use 2 different objects with different names, 1 config=3Dtrue and the other config=3Dfalse. If the config=3Dfalse node exists then the config=3Dtrue node is ignored. The description-stmt defines how they are related. Seems like you are describing the ephemeral datastore. You should wait for the datastores RFC that will hopefully be discussed in Berlin. Andy On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: > Hi, > > > > what is the suggested course of action then? > > > > There will be some instances that will be populated by a server, others b= y > a client app. We do want client configured instances to reference > instances that are server-provided (e.g. for scenarios in which an overla= y > topology is configured on top of another topology provided by the > network). So, we do need them to be part of the same datastore, as I don= =E2=80=99t > think it is possible for objects in one datastore to reference objects in > another datastore. > > > > Perhaps that would indeed make the case to define a YANG extension for > server provided, that defines the additional semantics that config with > that tag is subject to getting undone by the server. The model would > essentially be the same, but the semantics would be more explicit than ju= st > putting this into documentation. > > > > Of course, at the end of the day the situation is not so much different > from other cases where multiple clients want to modify the same > configuration. Ultimately, clients should be =E2=80=9Cwell behaved=E2=80= =9D to only touch > what they should own, respectively authorization rules / NACM should be > defined to establish clear ownership as needed. > > > > What would be your preference to do here =E2=80=93 server-provided extens= ion, or > just keep server-provided leaf? (or another suggestion?) > > > > Thanks > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:04 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I think that config that immediately gets undone by the server stretches > > the definition of config=3Dtrue a bit too far. > > > > > > The so-called ephemeral datastore would be where you put config that > > is not subject to backup/restore. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > ok. So, with regards to 1, then we really don=E2=80=99t need the separate > networks-state container / branch. Will remove this. This is much > preferred actually. > > > > With regards to 2, this means that we should be fine with having the mode= l > all config, even in cases where the server creates / modifies data. The > =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Ch= int=E2=80=9D as to who populated > the data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data by > another client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will b= e > immediately =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D. This is something we can add to th= e text, in fact, > to the effect that regular clients should not be authorized to modify > network/topology instances that are server-provided. There was also a > concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to > backup and restore operations, which in the case of data that is populate > by a server would not be required, just like state data would not be > subjected to backup/restore. I think you are implying this should not be > an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provided data were restored, the server= could > essentially =E2=80=9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual. So I guess= this means we can > put this concern to rest. Then I think there is only one potential issue > that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuration data. This > would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80= =9D topology > information cannot be updated even by the server until the lock is > released. Presumably even this should be acceptable. > > > > I think this simplifies things. I will basically return the model to the > earlier version with the server-provided leaf as part of the rest of the > topology information, adding the points from the description from this > discussion. In that case, we would not even need a YANG extension (which > would be an alternative to the server-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, > we would introduce an extension =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D with a = boolean > argument). Does this sound acceptable to everyone? > > > > Thanks > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > 2 concerns: > > > > 1) separate config and state as best practice. > > IMO this is not correct. If the state has no meaning unless > > the config exists, then it is fine to put the config=3Dfalse nodes > > under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances) > > > > 2) server-defined extension > > I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reasonable definition. > > Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provide a value? > > (pick 1) > > > > Isn't this situation already covered by YANG since it never says > > creating or modifying data can only be done by a client? > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > > > thank you for your review! > > > > Please find replies inline, . > > > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM > *To:* 'Kent Watsen' ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'YANG Doctors' ; Alexander Clemm (alex) < > alex@cisco.com> > *Subject:* RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Kent: > > > > Thank you for the Yang Doctor reviews. The authors will respond to your > comments shortly. > > > > Sue > > > > *From:* Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM > *To:* draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* YANG Doctors > *Subject:* YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I am the assigned YANG doctor for this individual submission document. > This review regards the YANG modules alone. While I did read the draft, = I > only did so to better understand the modules. Note: I was hoping the > draft would contain examples, but alas it does not. > > > > This draft contains two yang modules: ietf-network and > ietf-network-topology > > - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network > > - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing. > > > > These modules are relatively small and straightforward, which makes > reviewing them easy. Below are some detailed comments on these two modul= es. > > > > ietf-network > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not use= d in this module, > though it is used by the ietf-network-topology module. Should the > =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved to the ietf-network-t= opology module? > > You are correct that the grouping is not actually used in this > module. The reason we had it in ietf-network was basically as a > convenience, expecting that other modules will need to import the same > module. For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not > to, we would actually prefer to keep it. > > =C2=B7 Why have top-level container =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80= =9D? Why not have > the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/n= d:network/ > instead? > > The server-provided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth. > We are actually not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the > model either; in fact in the ODL implementation it is part of > /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversi= al > discussions surrounding it. The reason for the separate container was th= e > =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state b= ranches. While we > have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that = =E2=80=9Cbest > practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed. > > > > Based on your comments, we will strike the branch then. We will move the > leaf back into the main branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG > extension to tag whether an instance is server provided or not. We will > run this by you in the next revision. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is there a need to define any notifications in this module= ? - > or is the plan to leverage yang-push? > > We did not really foresee the need for notifications that would be > specific to networks and network topologies. Updates on topologies, > including topology changes, could be sent using yang-push, as you > indicate. If topology changes would have to be always notified, I guess > there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notifications that > would be available independent of YANG-push. However, that would impose > the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D. > > > > That said, there is one type of notifications that might be worth > considering, namely cases in which something in an underlay topology > changes, that impacts something in an overlay topology. In the event tha= t > you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the > physical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a no= de > that no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we hav= e > =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs i= n the model). In > such a case, one might arguably build a case to request a notification wh= en > a change in a server-provided instance causes a configured instance to no > longer be in a state where has the intended =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D. > > > > There are reasons to not introduce a notification for this case: for one, > it again imposes the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps > something that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology mo= nitoring > model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model. Also, it might result in = redundant > notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of the same > network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly a large > volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be wor= th the > while given that these will in general be only very transient conditions > and applications =E2=80=9Cowning=E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt r= emappings. > > > > For those reasons, my preference would be to not introduce notifications > at this point. Please let us know if you think we should reconsider. > > > > > > ietf-network-topology > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 The description statements for =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D a= nd =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not > helpful. The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be > mostly about setting the URI value. Example URI values would be helpful. > > > > I will add some more text. That said, the precise structure will > generally be picked by an implementation. > > > > =C2=B7 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D descrip= tion statement: =E2=80=9CA > Network Link connects a by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) > Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 The sentence structure of the first sentence in the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D > description statement needs fixing. > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Using uncommon acronyms is discouraged. Recommend replaci= ng > =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D throughout. > > Will check to make sure we expand it where possible in the > descriptions. In the names, we do not plan to replace it due to length > considertations. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is the description statement for the grouping link-ref mis= sing > the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D? > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 The description for =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point= =E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf > list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a list... > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 I notice that =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is = used on all leafrefs > except source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this intentional? > > Good point. The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source/des= tination > leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D relationshi= ps in the same > network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships. The scena= rio we were > concerned about is the one in which a (server-provided) resource in an > underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configured) resource in an > overlay. Within a topology, everything is either server provided or > configured; we do not have a mix of the two; therefore the scenario of a > leafref without valid instance is something that really is not applicable= . > That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn why we should not allow to relax = this, so > let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those = nodes. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > > --001a113ab81a40e1a105371770b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I think you have to use 2 different= objects with different names,
1 config=3Dtrue and the other conf= ig=3Dfalse.
If the config=3Dfalse node exists then the config=3Dt= rue node is ignored.
The description-stmt defines how they are re= lated.

Seems like you are describing the ephemeral= datastore.
You should wait for the datastores RFC that will hope= fully be
discussed in Berlin.


=
Andy


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) <= span dir=3D"ltr"><al= ex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

what is the suggested course of actio= n then?

=C2=A0

There will be some instances that wil= l be populated by a server, others by a client app.=C2=A0 We do want client= configured instances to reference instances that are server-provided (e.g. for scenarios in which an overlay topology is config= ured on top of another topology provided by the network).=C2=A0 So, we do n= eed them to be part of the same datastore, as I don=E2=80=99t think it is p= ossible for objects in one datastore to reference objects in another datastore.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Perhaps that would indeed make the ca= se to define a YANG extension for server provided, that defines the additio= nal semantics that config with that tag is subject to getting undone by the server. The model would essentially be the same, = but the semantics would be more explicit than just putting this into docume= ntation.

=C2=A0

Of course, at the end of the day the = situation is not so much different from other cases where multiple clients = want to modify the same configuration.=C2=A0 Ultimately, clients should be =E2=80=9Cwell behaved=E2=80=9D to only touch what they s= hould own, respectively authorization rules / NACM should be defined to est= ablish clear ownership as needed.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

What would be your preference to do h= ere =E2=80=93 server-provided extension, or just keep server-provided leaf?= =C2=A0 (or another suggestion?)

=C2=A0

Thanks

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-iet= f-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I think that config that immediately gets undone by = the server stretches

the definition of config=3Dtrue a bit too far.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The so-called ephemeral datastore would be where you= put config that

is not subject to backup/restore.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

=C2=A0

ok. So, with regards to 1, then we re= ally don=E2=80=99t need the separate networks-state container / branch.=C2= =A0 Will remove this.=C2=A0 This is much preferred actually.=C2=A0 <= /u>

=C2=A0

With regards to 2, this means that we= should be fine with having the model all config, even in cases where the server creates / modifies data.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Cserver-provid= ed=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Chint=E2=80=9D as to who p= opulated the data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data = by another client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will = be immediately =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 This is something we can add t= o the text, in fact, to the effect that regular clients should not be autho= rized to modify network/topology instances that are server-provided.=C2=A0 = There was also a concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to backup and restore operations, which in the cas= e of data that is populate by a server would not be required, just like sta= te data would not be subjected to backup/restore.=C2=A0 I think you are imp= lying this should not be an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provided data were restored, the server could essentially =E2=80= =9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual.=C2=A0 So I guess this means we = can put this concern to rest.=C2=A0 Then I think there is only one potentia= l issue that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuration data.=C2=A0 This would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver-= provided=E2=80=9D topology information cannot be updated even by the server= until the lock is released.=C2=A0 Presumably even this should be acceptabl= e.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I think this simplifies things.=C2=A0= I will basically return the model to the earlier version with the server-provided leaf as part of the rest of the topology information, addi= ng the points from the description from this discussion. In that case, we w= ould not even need a YANG extension (which would be an alternative to the s= erver-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, we would introduce an extension =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80= =9D with a boolean argument).=C2=A0 Does this sound acceptable to everyone?= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors &= lt;yang-doctors@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

2 concerns:

=C2=A0

1) separate config and state as best practice.

IMO this is not correct.=C2=A0 If the state has no m= eaning unless

the config exists, then it is fine to put the config= =3Dfalse nodes

under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances)=

=C2=A0

2) server-defined extension

I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reas= onable definition.

Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provi= de a value?

(pick 1)

=C2=A0

Isn't this situation already covered by YANG sin= ce it never says

creating or modifying data can only be done by a cli= ent?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Ke= nt,

=C2= =A0

thank= you for your review!

=C2= =A0

Pleas= e find replies inline, <ALEX>.=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

--- A= lex

=C2= =A0

From:= Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM
To: 'Kent Watsen' <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: 'YANG Doctors' <yang-doctors@ietf.org>; Alexander Clemm (alex)= <alex@cisco.com= >
Subject: RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo= -03

=C2=A0

Kent:

=C2= =A0

Thank= you for the Yang Doctor reviews.=C2=A0 The authors will respond to your co= mments shortly.

=C2= =A0

Sue

=C2= =A0

From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM
To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: YANG Doctors
Subject: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I am the assigned Y= ANG doctor for this individual submission document.=C2=A0 This review regar= ds the YANG modules alone.=C2=A0 While I did read the draft, I only did so to better understand the modules.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note: I was hopi= ng the draft would contain examples, but alas it does not.=

=C2=A0

This draft contains= two yang modules: ietf-network and ietf-network-topology<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing.

=C2=A0

These modules are r= elatively small and straightforward, which makes reviewing them easy.=C2=A0= Below are some detailed comments on these two modules.

=C2=A0

ietf-network=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D= is defined but not used in this module, though it is used by the ietf-netw= ork-topology module.=C2=A0 Should the =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping s= hould be moved to the ietf-network-topology module?

<ALEX> You are corr= ect that the grouping is not actually used in this module.=C2=A0 The reason= we had it in ietf-network was basically as a convenience, expecting that o= ther modules will need to import the same module.=C2=A0 For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not to, we wo= uld actually prefer to keep it.</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why have top-level container =E2=80= =9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Why not have the =E2=80=9Cserver-pr= ovided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead? =C2= =A0=C2=A0

<ALEX> The server-p= rovided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth.=C2=A0 We are actually= not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the model either; in fa= ct in the ODL implementation it is part of /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversial discussions surrounding= it.=C2=A0 The reason for the separate container was the =E2=80=9Cbest prac= tice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state branches.=C2=A0 While= we have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Based on your comments, w= e will strike the branch then.=C2=A0 We will move the leaf back into the ma= in branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG extension to tag whether a= n instance is server provided or not.=C2=A0 We will run this by you in the next revision.=C2=A0 <= /p>

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is there a need to define any notif= ications in this module? =C2=A0- or is the plan to leverage yang-push?

<ALEX> We did not r= eally foresee the need for notifications that would be specific to networks= and network topologies.=C2=A0 Updates on topologies, including topology ch= anges, could be sent using yang-push, as you indicate.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If topology changes would have to be always notified= , I guess there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notificati= ons that would be available independent of YANG-push.=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, = that would impose the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

That said, there is one t= ype of notifications that might be worth considering, namely cases in which= something in an underlay topology changes, that impacts something in an ov= erlay topology.=C2=A0 In the event that you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the ph= ysical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a node t= hat no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we have = =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs in the model).=C2=A0 In such a case, one might arguably build a c= ase to request a notification when a change in a server-provided instance c= auses a configured instance to no longer be in a state where has the intend= ed =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

There are reasons to not = introduce a notification for this case: for one, it again imposes the requi= rement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps so= mething that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology monitoring model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model.=C2=A0 Also, it m= ight result in redundant notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of= the same network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly= a large volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be worth the while given that these will in g= eneral be only very transient conditions and applications =E2=80=9Cowning= =E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt remappings.

=C2=A0

For those reasons, my pre= ference would be to not introduce notifications at this point.=C2=A0 Please= let us know if you think we should reconsider.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

ietf-network-topolo= gy

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description statements for =E2= =80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not helpful.=C2=A0 = The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be mostly about= setting the URI value.=C2=A0 Example URI values would be helpful.

=C2=A0

<ALEX> I will add s= ome more text.=C2=A0 That said, the precise structure will generally be pic= ked by an implementation.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link connects a = by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The sentence structure of the first= sentence in the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs fixing.=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using uncommon acronyms is discoura= ged.=C2=A0 Recommend replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cterminati= on-point=E2=80=9D throughout.

<ALEX> Will check t= o make sure we expand it where possible in the descriptions.=C2=A0 In the n= ames, we do not plan to replace it due to length considertations.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the description statement for th= e grouping link-ref missing the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D?=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description for =E2=80=9Csuppor= ting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf list=E2=80=9D, though it= =E2=80=99s actually just a list...

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I notice that =E2=80=98require-inst= ance false=E2=80=99 is used on all leafrefs except source/dest-node and sou= rce/desy-tp, is this intentional?

<A= LEX> Good point.=C2=A0 The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source= /destination leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D = relationships in the same network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships.= =C2=A0 The scenario we were concerned about is the one in which a (server-p= rovided) resource in an underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configu= red) resource in an overlay.=C2=A0 Within a topology, everything is either server provided or configured; we do not have a mix of the two; = therefore the scenario of a leafref without valid instance is something tha= t really is not applicable.=C2=A0 That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn w= hy we should not allow to relax this, so let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those nodes.

</= ALEX>

=C2=A0

Kent<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: > Hi Andy, > > > > not sure how the ephemeral datastores RFC would facilitate the model? I > am not sure I understand you proposal. Are you proposing to have two > =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D objects, one with config true, the othe= r config false? > > > > Basically, I am wondering, wouldn=E2=80=99t the current design with > server-provided leaf (config false) essentiallly accomplish the same? > Huh? I was just assuming it was config=3Dtrue. By definition, config=3Dfalse nodes are server provided. No hint is needed in this case. Andy > If provided by the server, it will be set to true, if configured by > another app, it will be set to false. If set to true, it indicates that > server app populates and maintains the data and will undo any modificatio= n > made by other clients to that data. > > > > Perhaps I can make this modification to the draft for now, also addressin= g > the other issues, before the deadline tomorrow =E2=80=93 if we decide fur= ther > updates are needed, discuss in Berlin. Does that sound agreeable? > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:31 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I think you have to use 2 different objects with different names, > > 1 config=3Dtrue and the other config=3Dfalse. > > If the config=3Dfalse node exists then the config=3Dtrue node is ignored. > > The description-stmt defines how they are related. > > > > Seems like you are describing the ephemeral datastore. > > You should wait for the datastores RFC that will hopefully be > > discussed in Berlin. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > what is the suggested course of action then? > > > > There will be some instances that will be populated by a server, others b= y > a client app. We do want client configured instances to reference > instances that are server-provided (e.g. for scenarios in which an overla= y > topology is configured on top of another topology provided by the > network). So, we do need them to be part of the same datastore, as I don= =E2=80=99t > think it is possible for objects in one datastore to reference objects in > another datastore. > > > > Perhaps that would indeed make the case to define a YANG extension for > server provided, that defines the additional semantics that config with > that tag is subject to getting undone by the server. The model would > essentially be the same, but the semantics would be more explicit than ju= st > putting this into documentation. > > > > Of course, at the end of the day the situation is not so much different > from other cases where multiple clients want to modify the same > configuration. Ultimately, clients should be =E2=80=9Cwell behaved=E2=80= =9D to only touch > what they should own, respectively authorization rules / NACM should be > defined to establish clear ownership as needed. > > > > What would be your preference to do here =E2=80=93 server-provided extens= ion, or > just keep server-provided leaf? (or another suggestion?) > > > > Thanks > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:04 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I think that config that immediately gets undone by the server stretches > > the definition of config=3Dtrue a bit too far. > > > > > > The so-called ephemeral datastore would be where you put config that > > is not subject to backup/restore. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > ok. So, with regards to 1, then we really don=E2=80=99t need the separate > networks-state container / branch. Will remove this. This is much > preferred actually. > > > > With regards to 2, this means that we should be fine with having the mode= l > all config, even in cases where the server creates / modifies data. The > =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Ch= int=E2=80=9D as to who populated > the data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data by > another client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will b= e > immediately =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D. This is something we can add to th= e text, in fact, > to the effect that regular clients should not be authorized to modify > network/topology instances that are server-provided. There was also a > concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to > backup and restore operations, which in the case of data that is populate > by a server would not be required, just like state data would not be > subjected to backup/restore. I think you are implying this should not be > an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provided data were restored, the server= could > essentially =E2=80=9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual. So I guess= this means we can > put this concern to rest. Then I think there is only one potential issue > that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuration data. This > would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80= =9D topology > information cannot be updated even by the server until the lock is > released. Presumably even this should be acceptable. > > > > I think this simplifies things. I will basically return the model to the > earlier version with the server-provided leaf as part of the rest of the > topology information, adding the points from the description from this > discussion. In that case, we would not even need a YANG extension (which > would be an alternative to the server-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, > we would introduce an extension =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D with a = boolean > argument). Does this sound acceptable to everyone? > > > > Thanks > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM > *To:* Alexander Clemm (alex) > *Cc:* Susan Hares ; Kent Watsen ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > 2 concerns: > > > > 1) separate config and state as best practice. > > IMO this is not correct. If the state has no meaning unless > > the config exists, then it is fine to put the config=3Dfalse nodes > > under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances) > > > > 2) server-defined extension > > I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reasonable definition. > > Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provide a value? > > (pick 1) > > > > Isn't this situation already covered by YANG since it never says > > creating or modifying data can only be done by a client? > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) > wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > > > thank you for your review! > > > > Please find replies inline, . > > > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM > *To:* 'Kent Watsen' ; > draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'YANG Doctors' ; Alexander Clemm (alex) < > alex@cisco.com> > *Subject:* RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Kent: > > > > Thank you for the Yang Doctor reviews. The authors will respond to your > comments shortly. > > > > Sue > > > > *From:* Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM > *To:* draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org > *Cc:* YANG Doctors > *Subject:* YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > I am the assigned YANG doctor for this individual submission document. > This review regards the YANG modules alone. While I did read the draft, = I > only did so to better understand the modules. Note: I was hoping the > draft would contain examples, but alas it does not. > > > > This draft contains two yang modules: ietf-network and > ietf-network-topology > > - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network > > - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing. > > > > These modules are relatively small and straightforward, which makes > reviewing them easy. Below are some detailed comments on these two modul= es. > > > > ietf-network > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D is defined but not use= d in this module, > though it is used by the ietf-network-topology module. Should the > =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping should be moved to the ietf-network-t= opology module? > > You are correct that the grouping is not actually used in this > module. The reason we had it in ietf-network was basically as a > convenience, expecting that other modules will need to import the same > module. For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not > to, we would actually prefer to keep it. > > =C2=B7 Why have top-level container =E2=80=9Cnetworks-state=E2=80= =9D? Why not have > the =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/n= d:network/ > instead? > > The server-provided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth. > We are actually not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the > model either; in fact in the ODL implementation it is part of > /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversi= al > discussions surrounding it. The reason for the separate container was th= e > =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state b= ranches. While we > have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that = =E2=80=9Cbest > practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed. > > > > Based on your comments, we will strike the branch then. We will move the > leaf back into the main branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG > extension to tag whether an instance is server provided or not. We will > run this by you in the next revision. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is there a need to define any notifications in this module= ? - > or is the plan to leverage yang-push? > > We did not really foresee the need for notifications that would be > specific to networks and network topologies. Updates on topologies, > including topology changes, could be sent using yang-push, as you > indicate. If topology changes would have to be always notified, I guess > there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notifications that > would be available independent of YANG-push. However, that would impose > the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D. > > > > That said, there is one type of notifications that might be worth > considering, namely cases in which something in an underlay topology > changes, that impacts something in an overlay topology. In the event tha= t > you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the > physical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a no= de > that no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we hav= e > =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs i= n the model). In > such a case, one might arguably build a case to request a notification wh= en > a change in a server-provided instance causes a configured instance to no > longer be in a state where has the intended =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D. > > > > There are reasons to not introduce a notification for this case: for one, > it again imposes the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps > something that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology mo= nitoring > model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model. Also, it might result in = redundant > notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of the same > network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly a large > volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be wor= th the > while given that these will in general be only very transient conditions > and applications =E2=80=9Cowning=E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt r= emappings. > > > > For those reasons, my preference would be to not introduce notifications > at this point. Please let us know if you think we should reconsider. > > > > > > ietf-network-topology > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=B7 The description statements for =E2=80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D a= nd =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not > helpful. The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be > mostly about setting the URI value. Example URI values would be helpful. > > > > I will add some more text. That said, the precise structure will > generally be picked by an implementation. > > > > =C2=B7 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D descrip= tion statement: =E2=80=9CA > Network Link connects a by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) > Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 The sentence structure of the first sentence in the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D > description statement needs fixing. > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Using uncommon acronyms is discouraged. Recommend replaci= ng > =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Ctermination-point=E2=80=9D throughout. > > Will check to make sure we expand it where possible in the > descriptions. In the names, we do not plan to replace it due to length > considertations. > > > > > > =C2=B7 Is the description statement for the grouping link-ref mis= sing > the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D? > > Will fix the description. > > > > > > =C2=B7 The description for =E2=80=9Csupporting-termination-point= =E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf > list=E2=80=9D, though it=E2=80=99s actually just a list... > > Will fix the description. > > > > =C2=B7 I notice that =E2=80=98require-instance false=E2=80=99 is = used on all leafrefs > except source/dest-node and source/desy-tp, is this intentional? > > Good point. The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source/des= tination > leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D relationshi= ps in the same > network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships. The scena= rio we were > concerned about is the one in which a (server-provided) resource in an > underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configured) resource in an > overlay. Within a topology, everything is either server provided or > configured; we do not have a mix of the two; therefore the scenario of a > leafref without valid instance is something that really is not applicable= . > That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn why we should not allow to relax = this, so > let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those = nodes. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > > > > --94eb2c11be7468b805053717ba40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

=C2=A0

not sure how the ephemeral datastores= RFC would facilitate the model?=C2=A0 I am not sure I understand you propo= sal.=C2=A0 Are you proposing to have two =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80=9D objects, one with config true, the other config false?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Basically, I am wondering, wouldn=E2= =80=99t the current design with server-provided leaf (config false) essenti= allly accomplish the same?=C2=A0


Huh?

I was just assumi= ng it was config=3Dtrue.
By definition, config=3Dfalse nodes are = server provided.
No hint is needed in this case.


Andy
=C2=A0

If provided by the server, it will be= set to true, if configured by another app, it will be set to false.=C2=A0 = If set to true, it indicates that server app populates and maintains the data and will undo any modification made by other client= s to that data.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Perhaps I can make this modification = to the draft for now, also addressing the other issues, before the deadline= tomorrow =E2=80=93 if we decide further updates are needed, discuss in Berlin.=C2=A0 Does that sound agreeable?=C2=A0

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:31 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-iet= f-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I think you have to use 2 different objects with dif= ferent names,

1 config=3Dtrue and the other config=3Dfalse.=

If the config=3Dfalse node exists then the config=3D= true node is ignored.

The description-stmt defines how they are related.

=C2=A0

Seems like you are describing the ephemeral datastor= e.

You should wait for the datastores RFC that will hop= efully be

discussed in Berlin.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

what is the suggested course of actio= n then?

=C2=A0

There will be some instances that wil= l be populated by a server, others by a client app.=C2=A0 We do want client configured instances to reference instances that are server-provide= d (e.g. for scenarios in which an overlay topology is configured on top of = another topology provided by the network).=C2=A0 So, we do need them to be = part of the same datastore, as I don=E2=80=99t think it is possible for objects in one datastore to reference objects in = another datastore.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Perhaps that would indeed make the ca= se to define a YANG extension for server provided, that defines the additional semantics that config with that tag is subject to getting u= ndone by the server. The model would essentially be the same, but the seman= tics would be more explicit than just putting this into documentation.

=C2=A0

Of course, at the end of the day the = situation is not so much different from other cases where multiple clients want to modify the same configuration.=C2=A0 Ultimately, clients s= hould be =E2=80=9Cwell behaved=E2=80=9D to only touch what they should own,= respectively authorization rules / NACM should be defined to establish cle= ar ownership as needed.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

What would be your preference to do h= ere =E2=80=93 server-provided extension, or just keep server-provided leaf?=C2=A0 (or another suggestion?)

=C2=A0

Thanks

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors &= lt;yang-doctors@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I think that config that immediately gets undone by = the server stretches

the definition of config=3Dtrue a bit too far.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The so-called ephemeral datastore would be where you= put config that

is not subject to backup/restore.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

=C2=A0

ok. So, with regards to 1, then we re= ally don=E2=80=99t need the separate networks-state container / branch.=C2= =A0 Will remove this.=C2=A0 This is much preferred actually.=C2=A0 <= /u>

=C2=A0

With regards to 2, this means that we= should be fine with having the model all config, even in cases where the server creates / modifies data.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Cserver-provid= ed=E2=80=9D is essentially intended as a =E2=80=9Chint=E2=80=9D as to who p= opulated the data, and as a hint that the attempt to reconfigure this data = by another client =E2=80=93 assuming it had the privileges to do so - will = be immediately =E2=80=9Cundone=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 This is something we can add t= o the text, in fact, to the effect that regular clients should not be autho= rized to modify network/topology instances that are server-provided.=C2=A0 = There was also a concern earlier that with config data, all data would be subjected to backup and restore operations, which in the cas= e of data that is populate by a server would not be required, just like sta= te data would not be subjected to backup/restore.=C2=A0 I think you are imp= lying this should not be an issue =E2=80=93 even if server-provided data were restored, the server could essentially =E2=80= =9Coverride=E2=80=9D to reflect the actual.=C2=A0 So I guess this means we = can put this concern to rest.=C2=A0 Then I think there is only one potentia= l issue that remains, concerning when someone locks all configuration data.=C2=A0 This would imply that in such situations, the =E2=80=9Cserver-= provided=E2=80=9D topology information cannot be updated even by the server= until the lock is released.=C2=A0 Presumably even this should be acceptabl= e.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I think this simplifies things.=C2=A0= I will basically return the model to the earlier version with the server-provided leaf as part of the rest of the topology information, addi= ng the points from the description from this discussion. In that case, we w= ould not even need a YANG extension (which would be an alternative to the s= erver-provided leaf: instead of the leaf, we would introduce an extension =E2=80=9Cserver-provided=E2=80= =9D with a boolean argument).=C2=A0 Does this sound acceptable to everyone?= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:25 PM
To: Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org; YANG Doctors &= lt;yang-doctors@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-ya= ng-network-topo-03

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

2 concerns:

=C2=A0

1) separate config and state as best practice.

IMO this is not correct.=C2=A0 If the state has no m= eaning unless

the config exists, then it is fine to put the config= =3Dfalse nodes

under the config=3Dtrue nodes (sharing instances)=

=C2=A0

2) server-defined extension

I keep hearing about this but have never seen a reas= onable definition.

Does this mean the server MUST, SHOULD, or MAY provi= de a value?

(pick 1)

=C2=A0

Isn't this situation already covered by YANG sin= ce it never says

creating or modifying data can only be done by a cli= ent?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Alexander Clemm (ale= x) <alex@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Ke= nt,

=C2= =A0

thank= you for your review!

=C2= =A0

Pleas= e find replies inline, <ALEX>.=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

--- A= lex

=C2= =A0

From:= Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:49 AM
To: 'Kent Watsen' <kwatsen@juniper.net>; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: 'YANG Doctors' <yang-doctors@ietf.org>; Alexander Clemm (alex)= <alex@cisco.com= >
Subject: RE: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo= -03

=C2=A0

Kent:

=C2= =A0

Thank= you for the Yang Doctor reviews.=C2=A0 The authors will respond to your co= mments shortly.

=C2= =A0

Sue

=C2= =A0

From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:55 PM
To: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo.all@ietf.org
Cc: YANG Doctors
Subject: YANG Doctor Review of draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-03<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I am the assigned Y= ANG doctor for this individual submission document.=C2=A0 This review regar= ds the YANG modules alone.=C2=A0 While I did read the draft, I only did so to better understand the modules.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note: I was hopi= ng the draft would contain examples, but alas it does not.=

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This draft contains= two yang modules: ietf-network and ietf-network-topology<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - ietf-network-topology imports and augments ietf-network<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = - both yang modules pass `pyang --ietf` testing.

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These modules are r= elatively small and straightforward, which makes reviewing them easy.=C2=A0= Below are some detailed comments on these two modules.

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ietf-network=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 grouping =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D= is defined but not used in this module, though it is used by the ietf-netw= ork-topology module.=C2=A0 Should the =E2=80=9Cnode-ref=E2=80=9D grouping s= hould be moved to the ietf-network-topology module?

<ALEX> You are corr= ect that the grouping is not actually used in this module.=C2=A0 The reason= we had it in ietf-network was basically as a convenience, expecting that o= ther modules will need to import the same module.=C2=A0 For that reason, unless you tell us there are strong reasons not to, we wo= uld actually prefer to keep it.</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why have top-level container =E2=80= =9Cnetworks-state=E2=80=9D?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Why not have the =E2=80=9Cserver-pr= ovided=E2=80=9D config false leaf in /nd:networks/nd:network/ instead? =C2= =A0=C2=A0

<ALEX> The server-p= rovided leaf is an item that has gone back and forth.=C2=A0 We are actually= not entirely happy with the way it is currently in the model either; in fa= ct in the ODL implementation it is part of /nd:networks/nd:network, just as you indicate and we had some controversial discussions surrounding= it.=C2=A0 The reason for the separate container was the =E2=80=9Cbest prac= tice=E2=80=9D of separating config branches and state branches.=C2=A0 While= we have only a single config=3Dfalse leaf, we thought that because of that =E2=80=9Cbest practice=E2=80=9D the branch would be needed= .=C2=A0

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Based on your comments, w= e will strike the branch then.=C2=A0 We will move the leaf back into the ma= in branch, respectively introduce instead a YANG extension to tag whether a= n instance is server provided or not.=C2=A0 We will run this by you in the next revision.=C2=A0 <= /p>

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=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is there a need to define any notif= ications in this module? =C2=A0- or is the plan to leverage yang-push?

<ALEX> We did not r= eally foresee the need for notifications that would be specific to networks= and network topologies.=C2=A0 Updates on topologies, including topology ch= anges, could be sent using yang-push, as you indicate.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If topology changes would have to be always notified= , I guess there is a case that could be made to introduce custom notificati= ons that would be available independent of YANG-push.=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, = that would impose the requirement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

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That said, there is one t= ype of notifications that might be worth considering, namely cases in which= something in an underlay topology changes, that impacts something in an ov= erlay topology.=C2=A0 In the event that you have e.g. a termination point that maps to a physical port, and the ph= ysical port is deleted, it is possible for the overlay to refer to a node t= hat no longer exists (this is permissible with YANG 1.1 =E2=80=93 we have = =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D for the corresponding leafrefs in the model).=C2=A0 In such a case, one might arguably build a c= ase to request a notification when a change in a server-provided instance c= auses a configured instance to no longer be in a state where has the intend= ed =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D.

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There are reasons to not = introduce a notification for this case: for one, it again imposes the requi= rement to implement additional =E2=80=9Cstuff=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 perhaps so= mething that might be considered for an additional =E2=80=9Ctopology monitoring model=E2=80=9D, but not a base topology model.=C2=A0 Also, it m= ight result in redundant notificaitons from multiple servers with a view of= the same network/topology that all detect the same condition, and possibly= a large volume of notifications under certain conditions =E2=80=93 may not be worth the while given that these will in g= eneral be only very transient conditions and applications =E2=80=9Cowning= =E2=80=9D the overlay will apply prompt remappings.

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For those reasons, my pre= ference would be to not introduce notifications at this point.=C2=A0 Please= let us know if you think we should reconsider.=C2=A0

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ietf-network-topolo= gy

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description statements for =E2= =80=9Clink-id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctp-id=E2=80=9D were not helpful.=C2=A0 = The node is a URI, so I expect the description statement to be mostly about= setting the URI value.=C2=A0 Example URI values would be helpful.

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<ALEX> I will add s= ome more text.=C2=A0 That said, the precise structure will generally be pic= ked by an implementation.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Watch capitalization on the =E2=80= =9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement: =E2=80=9CA Network Link connects a = by Local (Source) node and a Remote (Destination) Network Nodes.=E2=80=9D

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

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=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The sentence structure of the first= sentence in the =E2=80=9Clink=E2=80=9D description statement needs fixing.=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

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=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using uncommon acronyms is discoura= ged.=C2=A0 Recommend replacing =E2=80=9Ctp=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cterminati= on-point=E2=80=9D throughout.

<ALEX> Will check t= o make sure we expand it where possible in the descriptions.=C2=A0 In the n= ames, we do not plan to replace it due to length considertations.=C2=A0

</ALEX>

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=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the description statement for th= e grouping link-ref missing the word =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D?=

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

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=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The description for =E2=80=9Csuppor= ting-termination-point=E2=80=9D says =E2=80=9Cleaf list=E2=80=9D, though it= =E2=80=99s actually just a list...

<ALEX> Will fix the= description.

</ALEX>

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I notice that =E2=80=98require-inst= ance false=E2=80=99 is used on all leafrefs except source/dest-node and sou= rce/desy-tp, is this intentional?

<A= LEX> Good point.=C2=A0 The reason we don=E2=80=99t have it in the source= /destination leafrefs is that those represent =E2=80=9Chorizontal=E2=80=9D = relationships in the same network/topoogy, not =E2=80=9Cvertical=E2=80=9D relationships.= =C2=A0 The scenario we were concerned about is the one in which a (server-p= rovided) resource in an underly undergoes some change, affecting a (configu= red) resource in an overlay.=C2=A0 Within a topology, everything is either server provided or configured; we do not have a mix of the two; = therefore the scenario of a leafref without valid instance is something tha= t really is not applicable.=C2=A0 That said, I don=E2=80=99t see a reaosn w= hy we should not allow to relax this, so let=E2=80=99s add =E2=80=9Crequire-instance false=E2=80=9D also to those nodes.

</= ALEX>

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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:23:43 -0000 YANG-doctors, Should pyang provide a tree for YANG modules composed of groupings only? For example, how should the tree be documented in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-10 ? pyang doesn't produce anything: $ pyang -f tree ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang $ btw, same thing for pyang -f tree ietf-restconf@2016-07-07.yang Regards, benoit From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:07:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1208912D60A for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OX6w7_ln4oRx for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B3712D5F9 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1158; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468256824; x=1469466424; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=wm/8+IfMcbLRIBW+WXhaashow9o3zlNEfkFApjvrTV8=; b=X+IT760JYOBLMoDa7CcNZH7Jdz7jyN7NpQetEj0Q13HEbgHllsUivjAZ F7HurDqUoWXnTVUDd1VbxR3f/0X4KzfahacdHTc0ixh1EYt5CM5N3D4bU CTdl6mcq+abk0NpFUXz+uTyFTJ0dDc1surwyOUwIVDaM6p24AtcNqAzZB c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CAAgDh0INX/40NJK1cgz5WbQ8GuHiBe?= =?us-ascii?q?iKFdgIcgQ44FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RcAQEEAQEBIRE6CwULAgEIGAICJgICAiULFRA?= =?us-ascii?q?CBA4FiCgIDrA6jlkBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBYEBhSaBeIJVh0Irg?= =?us-ascii?q?hIdBZkYAYYMiEWPLJAOAR42gjyBNW6IQH8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,347,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="128388562" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Jul 2016 17:07:03 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-007.cisco.com (xch-rtp-007.cisco.com [64.101.220.147]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6BH73aq018701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:07:03 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-019.cisco.com (64.101.220.159) by XCH-RTP-007.cisco.com (64.101.220.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:07:03 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-019.cisco.com ([64.101.220.159]) by XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com ([64.101.220.159]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:07:02 -0400 From: "Giles Heron (giheron)" To: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" Thread-Topic: [yang-doctors] tree documentation for YANG modules composed of groupings only. 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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:20:06 -0000 On 7/11/2016 7:07 PM, Giles Heron (giheron) wrote: > well - maybe we could create a different mode for that? Yes, that's exactly what I mean. The key question is: what do we want to document in the RFCs? Regards, Benoit > > pyang -f tree shows the tree in the data store. If there are only groupings then there’s no instantiation in the data store… > >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 07:23, Benoit Claise (bclaise) wrote: >> >> YANG-doctors, >> >> Should pyang provide a tree for YANG modules composed of groupings only? >> For example, how should the tree be documented in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-10 ? >> >> pyang doesn't produce anything: >> $ pyang -f tree ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang >> $ >> >> btw, same thing for pyang -f tree ietf-restconf@2016-07-07.yang >> >> Regards, benoit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yang-doctors mailing list >> yang-doctors@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors From nobody Mon Jul 11 12:48:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30ED12D195 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hXPmiCJLg6V for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABEFA12D0E3 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c2so39412742pfa.2 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=UVXMxHb6ziNKydZ9CwhacDI23sxye8DzedadBNmFLsQ=; b=wNxLFzdgDqw7mbNtxJdfDso6LQ3gZNWyr/RUCjHeGIM8rojNrjcXFGQNIbEpks6t8O XmTdrGrz0Of+9113rQDaNrb/XJPnGzjVlYFpTVuIa36q91yE6P8KtjGD8L6gwXx3hnVa hU0+QeHJfhL5I1oF+HHJYNGkrsBWZHwjdMbgtk738eebVHajZ1nVhhjtfK0MwgKGv+Xf EQ2gpHUsEItw9RDajY26Tdi78DdR83oSAmyC1XoR1ivuGOforBIRIT+lwW00BK22c74W UVCg6tVCef7gHcvJ2uRgNcfF90nYjmXxGLSz5yT7wLfUF8nFdCaAodGwTB3TIqwMXS+v 3vdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=UVXMxHb6ziNKydZ9CwhacDI23sxye8DzedadBNmFLsQ=; b=EfV6djnQL4Ki9rGsXRWdgR/icBPI3XXI6pxnptoVzSIwb7DrVUHsr9cNKyPJ4+cEo2 Mghm2GSieQoRG5Kuk+fkGFvv47nRHu16wwBI5p/3e2MwMUhEbRqdevpLwvYHbpB/Ma7g A9DWdj/iCYFFbSMFStdtTMgKArgq9PfI8WkvdjCxK6X0gufQUT8XtnVwUCu601zBSJnA VaKurOwm5K5qq3qHmbMi6VEMRMvi+j3YD3WqTeJs2UeB3bb0dg2B2x6xpPOI7hQttA2C SodiCjuv2DoUzQqOfpCejrlRXf3cshSQrjta2RFJzxRuYSDMiL5nPI1Dm8KNfRQPkuj3 V9tg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJsyNT68zUnSBtIU6onmotAmGHuVZO7o1cOgoArzcihsovEvNaeFUunRv5qeCe9mg== X-Received: by 10.98.35.27 with SMTP id j27mr38233065pfj.10.1468266499967; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-128-107-151-44.cisco.com (dhcp-128-107-151-44.cisco.com. [128.107.151.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y10sm6971098pas.24.2016.07.11.12.48.13 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_74E8E2FF-ED48-44C4-8900-31E3C6184F27" Message-Id: <12B4D4AF-208D-48D9-A33C-3DBC4D1832E3@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:48:10 -0700 To: YANG Doctors Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] What should a server response be? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:48:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_74E8E2FF-ED48-44C4-8900-31E3C6184F27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am posting this question here first, so we can add the final response = to the YANG FAQ. The Opendaylight controller is constructing this particular set of = requests as part of a single transaction. The response of = the server is to reject the configuration that the particular node (evpn = container) does not exist.=20 However, if the default-operation=3Dnone is removed or changed to = replace, the server responds with an RPC OK. Is the server right in its interpretation of what RFC 6241 says? In = particular, the way the server is interpreting this request is as = follows from Section 7.2 of the RFC: none: The target datastore is unaffected by the configuration in the parameter, unless and until the incoming configuration data uses the "operation" attribute to request a different operation. If the configuration in the parameter contains data for which there is not a corresponding level in the target datastore, an is returned with an value of data-missing. Using "none" allows operations like "delete" to avoid unintentionally creating the parent hierarchy of the element to be deleted. and then this: operation: Elements in the subtree MAY contain an "operation" attribute, which belongs to the NETCONF namespace defined in Section 3.1 = . The attribute = identifies the point in the configuration to perform the operation and MAY appear on multiple elements throughout the subtree. 1st request: =20 rollback-on-error "> ## =20 The container evpn in this case is a non-presence container and does not = contain any mandatory leafs or default statements. The server therefore = interprets that nothing has to be done here, as it is not required to = create a empty container. =20 =20 2nd request: =20 none rollback-on-error "> ## In the second request, the default-operation=3Dnone again seems to imply = that nothing needs to be done for creation of the evpn node. Therefore = by the time the even-load-balancing request rolls around, the request is = rejected as the parent container does not exist. As stated earlier, if = the default-operation is removed or replaced with a replace or a merge, = the transaction succeeds. A second interpretation to this transaction is that the server should = have created the evpn node as part of the first request, and that the = none operation was implying that the node had already been created. Which interpretation is correct, and what sections of the RFC can one = cite to support the argument? Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_74E8E2FF-ED48-44C4-8900-31E3C6184F27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I am posting this question here first, so we can add the = final response to the YANG FAQ.

The Opendaylight controller is constructing this particular = set of <edit-config> requests as part of a single transaction. The = response of the server is to reject the configuration that the = particular node (evpn container) does not exist. 

However, if the = default-operation=3Dnone is removed or changed to replace, the server = responds with an RPC OK.

Is the server right in its interpretation of what RFC 6241 = says? In particular, the way the server is interpreting this request is = as follows from Section 7.2 of the RFC:

       =
  none:  The target datastore is =
unaffected by the configuration
            in the <config> parameter, unless and until the =
incoming
            configuration data uses the "operation" attribute to request
            a different operation.  If the configuration in the =
<config>
            parameter contains data for which there is not a
            corresponding level in the target datastore, an =
<rpc-error>
            is returned with an <error-tag> value of data-missing.
            Using "none" allows operations like "delete" to avoid
            unintentionally creating the parent hierarchy of the element
            to be deleted.

and = then this:

      operation:  Elements in the =
<config> subtree MAY contain an
         "operation" attribute, which belongs to the NETCONF namespace
         defined in Section 3.1.  The =
attribute identifies the point in
         the configuration to perform the operation and MAY appear on
         multiple elements throughout the <config> subtree.


1st request:
 
<rpc = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0" = message-id=3D"m-23">
  = <edit-config>
    = <target>
      = <candidate/>
    </target>
    = <error-option>rollback-on-error</error-option>
    <config>
      <evpn xmlns=3D"http://cisco.com/ns/yang/Cisco-IOS-XR-l2vpn-cfg">
        = <evpn-tables/>
      </evpn>
    </config>
  </edit-config>
</rpc>
##
 
The container evpn in this case is a non-presence container = and does not contain any mandatory leafs or default statements. The = server therefore interprets that nothing has to be done here, as it is = not required to create a empty container.
 
 
2nd request:
 
<rpc = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0" = message-id=3D"m-24">
  = <edit-config>
    = <target>
      = <candidate/>
    </target>
    = <default-operation>none</default-operation>
    = <error-option>rollback-on-error</error-option>
    <config>
      <evpn xmlns=3D"http://cisco.com/ns/yang/Cisco-IOS-XR-l2vpn-cfg">
        = <evpn-tables>
          = <evpn-load-balancing = xmlns:a=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0" = a:operation=3D"replace">
          &nb= sp; <enable/>
          &nb= sp; <evpn-flow-label/>
          = </evpn-load-balancing>
        = </evpn-tables>
      </evpn>
    </config>
  </edit-config>
</rpc>
##

In the second request, the = default-operation=3Dnone again seems to imply that nothing needs to be = done for creation of the evpn node. Therefore by the time the = even-load-balancing request rolls around, the request is rejected as the = parent container does not exist. As stated earlier, if the = default-operation is removed or replaced with a replace or a merge, the = transaction succeeds.

A second interpretation to this transaction is that the = server should have created the evpn node as part of the first request, = and that the none operation was implying that the node had already been = created.

Which = interpretation is correct, and what sections of the RFC can one cite to = support the argument?

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



= --Apple-Mail=_74E8E2FF-ED48-44C4-8900-31E3C6184F27-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 12:58:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6D712D598 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dmoXC2nXAOQ6 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6024012D0CB for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AC4733; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id mQDODWGAuPXD; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D0420069; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEgqiM_PKG2X; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CB320063; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 876DB3BCB5F7; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:58:11 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-ID: <20160711195811.GA34000@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors References: <12B4D4AF-208D-48D9-A33C-3DBC4D1832E3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12B4D4AF-208D-48D9-A33C-3DBC4D1832E3@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] What should a server response be? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:58:19 -0000 On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:48:10PM -0700, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > I am posting this question here first, so we can add the final > response to the YANG FAQ. I do not think this is a YANG doctors question; this is a NETCONF question. > A second interpretation to this transaction is that the server > should have created the evpn node as part of the first request, and > that the none operation was implying that the node had already been > created. Why would the server do this? I do not see how this falls out of the text in RFC 6241. The target datastore is unaffected by the configuration in the parameter, unless and until the incoming configuration data uses the "operation" attribute to request a different operation. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Jul 11 13:31:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E61712B047 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.651, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xxi9GPt2B3Vo for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3E0712D0E4 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=45540; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468269072; x=1469478672; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=nIcicKUxRCrQNgUi0n/4WhuGEb8hZwa3OFo5lFku0K4=; b=a9OmIzgBj1CRShLlevkMYaeUIXo0wWDHLIAixQC1oIMOmmU8SK5wDDrk oPYEbufb8p97kiANGJ2+ZWx0APaSZVyhlOmFl3AAwtGEfghv8WaVV/THt hboAFaa1iPpgh2aTp/wnsPKueBQy2tXK1MBS4Sdq1nUq9/zOC7io+m1zx 4=; X-Files: emdeiigfkphfigoj.png : 31980 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C3BgDbAYRX/xbLJq1cgnICgUpSp26ME?= =?us-ascii?q?4FxgQSCD4F6h3wUAQEBAQEBAWUnhFMVHnIBAQEZAQEBIgIEFQEONw0FAQIBAQK?= =?us-ascii?q?IKqBpj2KOXAEBAQcBAQEBFQ6GJ4F4CIoPgj0dAQSTR4RMgQWFHwGJMolNgR6EQ?= =?us-ascii?q?ZAPHjaDczoyAYk+AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,348,1464652800"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="635653647" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Jul 2016 20:31:04 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6BKV3gb013141 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:31:03 GMT To: YANG Doctors From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <91a4a0c7-a05e-634d-3815-1893555e5d47@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:31:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A900D5FF77A6844D980C396D" Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] Emmanuel Nataf removed from the YANG doctors X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:31:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A900D5FF77A6844D980C396D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Emmanuel expressed that he didn't work on YANG since several years. Below is the list of YANG doctors. If you know of potential new _active _members, don't hesitate to let me know. By active, I mean members who engage in discussions, and share the review/FAQ load. Regards, Benoit --------------A900D5FF77A6844D980C396D Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------85A7B258076E46F020E583EC" --------------85A7B258076E46F020E583EC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Emmanuel expressed that he didn't work on YANG since several years.

Below is the list of YANG doctors.


If you know of potential new active members, don't hesitate to let me know.
By active, I mean members who engage in discussions, and share the review/FAQ load.

Regards, Benoit

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<0ad37633-682f-74d0-5d74-feeb742ee891@cisco.com> References: <1572491C-09D0-4A5F-8CC5-C9085764891B@cisco.com> <0ad37633-682f-74d0-5d74-feeb742ee891@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Bj=F6rklund?= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:31:58 +0200 To: Benoit Claise , "Giles Heron (giheron)" Message-ID: <60B7C263-BD8A-4D56-8E31-CD833925539F@tail-f.com> Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] tree documentation for YANG modules composed of groupings only. X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:32:06 -0000 I think i added an option to print groupings to pyang -f tree. Check the help. Benoit Claise skrev: (11 juli 2016 20:19:57 CEST) >On 7/11/2016 7:07 PM, Giles Heron (giheron) wrote: >> well - maybe we could create a different mode for that? >Yes, that's exactly what I mean. >The key question is: what do we want to document in the RFCs? > >Regards, Benoit >> >> pyang -f tree shows the tree in the data store. If there are only >groupings then there’s no instantiation in the data store… >> >>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 07:23, Benoit Claise (bclaise) > wrote: >>> >>> YANG-doctors, >>> >>> Should pyang provide a tree for YANG modules composed of groupings >only? >>> For example, how should the tree be documented in >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-10 ? >>> >>> pyang doesn't produce anything: >>> $ pyang -f tree ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang >>> $ >>> >>> btw, same thing for pyang -f tree ietf-restconf@2016-07-07.yang >>> >>> Regards, benoit >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yang-doctors mailing list >>> yang-doctors@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > >_______________________________________________ >yang-doctors mailing list >yang-doctors@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 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[128.107.151.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y6sm4917385pav.1.2016.07.11.13.38.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <20160711195811.GA34000@elstar.local> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:38:34 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4E1F8B41-C7FD-4C9E-86A3-7FA6FAC1F509@gmail.com> References: <12B4D4AF-208D-48D9-A33C-3DBC4D1832E3@gmail.com> <20160711195811.GA34000@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] What should a server response be? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:38:43 -0000 > On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:48:10PM -0700, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >=20 >> I am posting this question here first, so we can add the final >> response to the YANG FAQ. >=20 > I do not think this is a YANG doctors question; this is a NETCONF > question. Fair enough. Will post it to NETCONF mailing list. Do folks think it would be a good addition to the FAQ? I know that it is = not a YANG question, but then we do not have a separate NETCONF FAQ. >=20 >> A second interpretation to this transaction is that the server >> should have created the evpn node as part of the first request, and >> that the none operation was implying that the node had already been >> created. >=20 > Why would the server do this? I do not see how this falls out of the > text in RFC 6241. >=20 > The target datastore is unaffected by the configuration > in the parameter, unless and until the incoming > configuration data uses the "operation" attribute to request > a different operation. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Tue Jul 12 00:51:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A839612D744 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id POJtRZ5c1MWn for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D233712D747 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3280; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468309884; x=1469519484; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RuZIGN1PYmLGYzfdnKQUHr2m21iEEZrNwCFSVUJXuYg=; b=im6bMSth8n+fMVwNG9rov9O4CxWlo4hE16fM1CUPND7Wasc5PJ+O1o9X eEprSxPyvT1akvfvSS5MBpwmMYWcIhtpSeGe+WWejDrJaA+YALmI4ZRXs 5g6AluVe3B0/fNKIqexaIowPqhFp8eNxCzLGKIufYVXGrA4LXzygVY7B1 Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,350,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="636679720" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Jul 2016 07:51:22 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6C7pL41018111; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:51:22 GMT To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=c3=b6rklund?= , "Giles Heron (giheron)" References: <1572491C-09D0-4A5F-8CC5-C9085764891B@cisco.com> <0ad37633-682f-74d0-5d74-feeb742ee891@cisco.com> <60B7C263-BD8A-4D56-8E31-CD833925539F@tail-f.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <0335fb67-1b40-ec99-a5d6-d1bacfd0109f@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:51:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60B7C263-BD8A-4D56-8E31-CD833925539F@tail-f.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] tree documentation for YANG modules composed of groupings only. X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:51:32 -0000 On 7/11/2016 10:31 PM, Martin Björklund wrote: > I think i added an option to print groupings to pyang -f tree. Check the help. Indeed. pyang -f tree --tree-print-groupings ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang module: ietf-yang-patch groupings: yang-patch +---- yang-patch +---- patch-id? string +---- comment? string +---- edit* [edit-id] +---- edit-id? string +---- operation enumeration +---- target target-resource-offset +---- point? target-resource-offset +---- where? enumeration +---- value? yang-patch-status +---- yang-patch-status +---- patch-id? string +---- (global-status)? | +--:(global-errors) | | +---- errors | | +---- error* | | +---- error-type enumeration | | +---- error-tag string | | +---- error-app-tag? string | | +---- error-path? instance-identifier | | +---- error-message? string | | +---- error-info? | +--:(ok) | +---- ok? empty +---- edit-status +---- edit* [edit-id] +---- edit-id? string +---- (edit-status-choice)? +--:(ok) | +---- ok? empty +--:(errors) +---- errors +---- error* +---- error-type enumeration +---- error-tag string +---- error-app-tag? string +---- error-path? instance-identifier +---- error-message? string +---- error-info? Thanks, B. > > > Benoit Claise skrev: (11 juli 2016 20:19:57 CEST) >> On 7/11/2016 7:07 PM, Giles Heron (giheron) wrote: >>> well - maybe we could create a different mode for that? >> Yes, that's exactly what I mean. >> The key question is: what do we want to document in the RFCs? >> >> Regards, Benoit >>> pyang -f tree shows the tree in the data store. If there are only >> groupings then there’s no instantiation in the data store… >>>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 07:23, Benoit Claise (bclaise) >> wrote: >>>> YANG-doctors, >>>> >>>> Should pyang provide a tree for YANG modules composed of groupings >> only? >>>> For example, how should the tree be documented in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-10 ? >>>> pyang doesn't produce anything: >>>> $ pyang -f tree ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang >>>> $ >>>> >>>> btw, same thing for pyang -f tree ietf-restconf@2016-07-07.yang >>>> >>>> Regards, benoit >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yang-doctors mailing list >>>> yang-doctors@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors >> _______________________________________________ >> yang-doctors mailing list >> yang-doctors@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:07:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506E512D0CA for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:07:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jSzq36x5gDag for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503AB12B00C for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:07:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3602; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468310874; x=1469520474; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c2cWPTjPe553RQInESz8cGBk/0nTch2ww52bP7JasvU=; b=IoilqQKmuQRQ7+rThWldrDCsJyRk1OBAH66IFEdJC9YqEG8fXgnNJq4j npR7hMKTd4ARHDrx+4KaE89V/jMOdUeSC7eM9xvvg+5dBCmWoFxrMoQmd EVrEoOxxzJS92YhZg5DEiJw8ncxgleSSGJrijJBvJqyOe6TTEy5LZsz2K 0=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,350,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="638505000" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Jul 2016 08:07:52 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6C87qvp019837; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:07:52 GMT To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=c3=b6rklund?= , "Giles Heron (giheron)" References: <1572491C-09D0-4A5F-8CC5-C9085764891B@cisco.com> <0ad37633-682f-74d0-5d74-feeb742ee891@cisco.com> <60B7C263-BD8A-4D56-8E31-CD833925539F@tail-f.com> <0335fb67-1b40-ec99-a5d6-d1bacfd0109f@cisco.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:07:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0335fb67-1b40-ec99-a5d6-d1bacfd0109f@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] tree documentation for YANG modules composed of groupings only. X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:07:56 -0000 https://github.com/netmod-wg/rfc6087bis/issues/39 Regards, B. > On 7/11/2016 10:31 PM, Martin Björklund wrote: >> I think i added an option to print groupings to pyang -f tree. Check >> the help. > Indeed. > > pyang -f tree --tree-print-groupings ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang > module: ietf-yang-patch > groupings: > yang-patch > +---- yang-patch > +---- patch-id? string > +---- comment? string > +---- edit* [edit-id] > +---- edit-id? string > +---- operation enumeration > +---- target target-resource-offset > +---- point? target-resource-offset > +---- where? enumeration > +---- value? > > yang-patch-status > +---- yang-patch-status > +---- patch-id? string > +---- (global-status)? > | +--:(global-errors) > | | +---- errors > | | +---- error* > | | +---- error-type enumeration > | | +---- error-tag string > | | +---- error-app-tag? string > | | +---- error-path? instance-identifier > | | +---- error-message? string > | | +---- error-info? > | +--:(ok) > | +---- ok? empty > +---- edit-status > +---- edit* [edit-id] > +---- edit-id? string > +---- (edit-status-choice)? > +--:(ok) > | +---- ok? empty > +--:(errors) > +---- errors > +---- error* > +---- error-type enumeration > +---- error-tag string > +---- error-app-tag? string > +---- error-path? instance-identifier > +---- error-message? string > +---- error-info? > > Thanks, B. > > >> >> >> Benoit Claise skrev: (11 juli 2016 20:19:57 CEST) >>> On 7/11/2016 7:07 PM, Giles Heron (giheron) wrote: >>>> well - maybe we could create a different mode for that? >>> Yes, that's exactly what I mean. >>> The key question is: what do we want to document in the RFCs? >>> >>> Regards, Benoit >>>> pyang -f tree shows the tree in the data store. If there are only >>> groupings then there’s no instantiation in the data store… >>>>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 07:23, Benoit Claise (bclaise) >>> wrote: >>>>> YANG-doctors, >>>>> >>>>> Should pyang provide a tree for YANG modules composed of groupings >>> only? >>>>> For example, how should the tree be documented in >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-10 ? >>>>> pyang doesn't produce anything: >>>>> $ pyang -f tree ietf-yang-patch@2016-07-07.yang >>>>> $ >>>>> >>>>> btw, same thing for pyang -f tree ietf-restconf@2016-07-07.yang >>>>> >>>>> Regards, benoit >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> yang-doctors mailing list >>>>> yang-doctors@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yang-doctors mailing list >>> yang-doctors@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors From nobody Sat Jul 16 14:04:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509D112D158 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T4zqZpir9cRd for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0870F12D10B for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=17; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468703054; x=1469912654; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=/arwFErP0t6d5869rZT3o0Px8DsJ6PsqfbDRb8UlZTk=; b=i3frU39OxIro3K3/6zn2HsKEJlGSpR4lV68W1NOXHXLnBGQwrmKIa9Qy bAyyfLds1Ovt/nCXVNnBUJdBy1gjniFTpLMaJyvf5pzj6fmh9QRoFUFkI Vjht1Ko0eaVC+5Req/lguVu0eDmwCGmHq8C5056Dcwz5sZjNRjQl/ZyGB Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BRCwBooIpX/xbLJq1chD+3OIQIhhEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?W0QAQEBAQEBAWUnhHwKFXYCJgJfDQgBAYgsoD6PYo1aAQEIAiWBAYUpgXiKFoI?= =?us-ascii?q?9HQEEmSSOX4FVAYd6hWeQHjUfg3U6iBoBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,375,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="635750759" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Jul 2016 21:04:12 +0000 Received: from [10.61.161.254] ([10.61.161.254]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6GL4C9Q025279 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:04:12 GMT To: YANG Doctors From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <9db42841-e5ec-ff1c-51d2-8a2af32279a0@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:04:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? 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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:30:04 -0000 Present (+ Liliana) Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Mahesh Jethanandani > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:36 AM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > Cc: YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > Sunday evening? >=20 > Sure. >=20 > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > wrote: > > > > yes > > > > Cheers, > > Mehmet > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Benoit Claise > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 11:04 PM > > To: YANG Doctors > > Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunda= y > evening? > > > > Regards, Benoit From nobody Sat Jul 16 22:55:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2233D12B05F for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s_FSRSU_nIfq for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 458A812B00C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F5AwBRHYtX/yYyC4dcGwEBAYJ0LVZ8B?= =?us-ascii?q?o0kqTyCD4F5GoYAAoEhOBQBAQEBAQEBA2Ing0UsGVIBAQEBAxIoPwwEAgEIDQE?= =?us-ascii?q?DBAEBAQoUCQcyFAkIAgQOBQgaiA4BpX2YKQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?RyGK4RMhEKDKoISHQWZJAGGEosFhy6FUJAeHjaDc26HQwF+AQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F5AwBRHYtX/yYyC4dcGwEBAYJ0LVZ8Bo0kqTyCD4F5GoY?= =?us-ascii?q?AAoEhOBQBAQEBAQEBA2Ing0UsGVIBAQEBAxIoPwwEAgEIDQEDBAEBAQoUCQcyF?= =?us-ascii?q?AkIAgQOBQgaiA4BpX2YKQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARyGK4RMhEKDKoI?= =?us-ascii?q?SHQWZJAGGEosFhy6FUJAeHjaDc26HQwF+AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,377,1464667200"; d="scan'208";a="183747377" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2016 01:54:50 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 17 Jul 2016 01:54:49 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:54:48 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Mahesh Jethanandani , "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" Thread-Topic: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? Thread-Index: AQHR36XqtbheT8XxeUeRsQOHq2i/XKAb6LqAgAAwQMCAAAcaIA== Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:54:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E964@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9db42841-e5ec-ff1c-51d2-8a2af32279a0@cisco.com> <91414925-EAA0-4D01-A414-04CCB1AE1CBF@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:55:00 -0000 What about http://100biere.de/?=20 Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:30 AM > To: 'Mahesh Jethanandani'; Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > Cc: YANG Doctors > Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > Sunday evening? >=20 > Present (+ Liliana) >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:36 AM > > To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > > Cc: YANG Doctors > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > > Sunday evening? > > > > Sure. > > > > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > > wrote: > > > > > > yes > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mehmet > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > > Of > > Benoit Claise > > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 11:04 PM > > > To: YANG Doctors > > > Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > > > Sunday > > evening? > > > > > > Regards, Benoit From nobody Sat Jul 16 23:17:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B881012D0E1 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eyvr9YSKQneA for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88E8312B00C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:17:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1476; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468736242; x=1469945842; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dhRopdh3R1Xs2bWJet1nsIBoy1KjCJVaHBP03WG+IGo=; b=WFFZQWhtWt85ZIWV/qbs6JK2V7a5z5yGy/do9WIh6MnUI2F6S0T3BIsy ey17+GgFB6ccCJJ5lVzam4ChdU/Bf38F10gTChtaZhEjUtrF5LQp425Th gIWHRKEVG98bYSXM1OY7Ak322Wf/+NadhCOIW0RyzWeXfOvDEkYn5jyqM w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DzCQCAIotX/xbLJq1chBUqUrpuIoV4A?= =?us-ascii?q?oFtAQEBAQEBZieEXAEBBQEBNjYLDAQLEQQBAQEnBycfCQgGAQwGAgEBiCwOvhw?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEchiqBeIJViX4dAQSZJIYTiEyCOYcXhWeQH?= =?us-ascii?q?lSDdToyiEIBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,377,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="638597133" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Jul 2016 06:17:20 +0000 Received: from [10.61.240.25] ([10.61.240.25]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6H6HJMg031626; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 06:17:20 GMT To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" References: <9db42841-e5ec-ff1c-51d2-8a2af32279a0@cisco.com> <91414925-EAA0-4D01-A414-04CCB1AE1CBF@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E964@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <16c0a45d-aab4-2db3-edd1-1c7d64d1355b@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:17:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E964@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 06:17:25 -0000 Fine with me. Shall we say 7PM in the the lobby? Regards, B. > What about http://100biere.de/? > > Dan > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:30 AM >> To: 'Mahesh Jethanandani'; Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) >> Cc: YANG Doctors >> Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner >> Sunday evening? >> >> Present (+ Liliana) >> >> Dan >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:36 AM >>> To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) >>> Cc: YANG Doctors >>> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner >>> Sunday evening? >>> >>> Sure. >>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) >>> wrote: >>>> yes >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mehmet >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>>> Of >>> Benoit Claise >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 11:04 PM >>>> To: YANG Doctors >>>> Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner >>>> Sunday >>> evening? >>>> Regards, Benoit > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > . > From nobody Sat Jul 16 23:40:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3748212D150 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:40:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YWUhnq5QqrJ for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0039312D0F7 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2HuAQDYJ4tX/xUHmMZcGgEBAQGCdC2BU?= =?us-ascii?q?gaNJKk8gg+BeYYaAoEhOBQBAQEBAQEBA2InhFwBAQEBAxIoPwwEAgEIDQEDBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BCxQJBzIUCQgCBAENBQgaiA4BpX+YKgEBAQEBAQEBAgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHIYrh?= =?us-ascii?q?EyEQoMqghIdBZkkAZAzAYgRhVCQHh42g3Nuh0MBfgEBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2HuAQDYJ4tX/xUHmMZcGgEBAQGCdC2BUgaNJKk8gg+BeYY?= =?us-ascii?q?aAoEhOBQBAQEBAQEBA2InhFwBAQEBAxIoPwwEAgEIDQEDBAEBCxQJBzIUCQgCB?= =?us-ascii?q?AENBQgaiA4BpX+YKgEBAQEBAQEBAgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHIYrhEyEQoMqghIdBZk?= =?us-ascii?q?kAZAzAYgRhVCQHh42g3Nuh0MBfgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,377,1464667200"; d="scan'208";a="162329886" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2016 02:40:41 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.11]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 17 Jul 2016 02:40:39 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:40:38 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Benoit Claise , Mahesh Jethanandani , "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" Thread-Topic: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? Thread-Index: AQHR36XqtbheT8XxeUeRsQOHq2i/XKAb6LqAgAAwQMCAAAcaIIAASW0A///DWUA= Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 06:40:37 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E99A@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9db42841-e5ec-ff1c-51d2-8a2af32279a0@cisco.com> <91414925-EAA0-4D01-A414-04CCB1AE1CBF@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E964@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <16c0a45d-aab4-2db3-edd1-1c7d64d1355b@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <16c0a45d-aab4-2db3-edd1-1c7d64d1355b@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 06:40:46 -0000 OK for us.=20 Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:17 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Mahesh Jethanandani; Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - > DE/Munich) > Cc: YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > Sunday evening? >=20 > Fine with me. > Shall we say 7PM in the the lobby? >=20 > Regards, B. From nobody Sun Jul 17 00:36:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D9612D19F for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onWSnzvtHBNL for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6280312D09F for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97517A53; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id EJTc8k7B--yK; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6DA20063; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbTsA4aox4K1; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9DB2004A; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 588813BD5962; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:36:48 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20160717073648.GA44636@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" , YANG Doctors References: <9db42841-e5ec-ff1c-51d2-8a2af32279a0@cisco.com> <91414925-EAA0-4D01-A414-04CCB1AE1CBF@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7523E964@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <16c0a45d-aab4-2db3-edd1-1c7d64d1355b@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16c0a45d-aab4-2db3-edd1-1c7d64d1355b@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:36:58 -0000 ACK /js On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:17:20AM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: > Fine with me. > Shall we say 7PM in the the lobby? > > Regards, B. > > What about http://100biere.de/? > > > > Dan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:30 AM > > > To: 'Mahesh Jethanandani'; Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > > > Cc: YANG Doctors > > > Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > > > Sunday evening? > > > > > > Present (+ Liliana) > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:36 AM > > > > To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > > > > Cc: YANG Doctors > > > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > > > > Sunday evening? > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > > > > wrote: > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Mehmet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > Benoit Claise > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 11:04 PM > > > > > To: YANG Doctors > > > > > Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner > > > > > Sunday > > > > evening? > > > > > Regards, Benoit > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Jul 17 01:12:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C812812D1AF for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.922 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.922 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RTN2hAMxuHiM for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR02-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr20099.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.2.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40D5C12B012 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:12:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-nokia-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=iYnt05WSs/xToIh619rDU++lBUcq77LZCbHlgXgG/WI=; b=gBI5ehNbA7uzkwUYGeaffcLG6RHt8WzX2nhR/+twkVqM5DVQcp4JObheQ2WAUS17DZ3Nv+4+jj758nqYaEgCOYZibUChPCaNGDVrVkMOy19s8Rkr6ECh7IY8gXM7d2gFnDPwYbYGGxoi49YZXgiewm8W+mGM+2Bgd988JJQHt+Q= Received: from HE1PR0701MB2859.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.168.91.149) by HE1PR0701MB2858.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.168.91.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.528.16; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:12:52 +0000 Received: from HE1PR0701MB2859.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.168.91.149]) by HE1PR0701MB2859.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.168.91.149]) with mapi id 15.01.0544.013; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:12:52 +0000 From: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Mahesh Jethanandani Thread-Topic: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening? 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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:12:58 -0000 Sounds good! Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:55 AM To: Mahesh Jethanandani ; Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - D= E/Munich) Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunda= y evening? 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X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:20:16 -0000 --001a114298c82f99230537d3df42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes if my flight gets there in time An hour late so far On Saturday, July 16, 2016, Benoit Claise wrote: > Regards, Benoit > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > --001a114298c82f99230537d3df42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes if my flight gets there in time
An hour late so far
On Saturday, July 16, 2016, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
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What's the plan? Meet after reception?



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy sma= rtphone.


-------- Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <bertietf@bwijnen.net>
Datum: 17.07.16 17:07 (GMT+01:00)
An: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, YANG Doctors <yang-doc= tors@ietf.org>
Betreff: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner = Sunday evening?

Sorry. Huawei meeting right after welcome receptio= n.

Bert

On 16/07/16 23:04, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Regards, Benoit
>
> _______________________________________________
> yang-doctors mailing list
> yang-doctors@ietf.org
> https:/= /www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors
>

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Yes, at hotel reception at 7PM.

Regards, B.
What's the plan? Meet after reception?



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <bertietf@bwijnen.net>
Datum: 17.07.16 17:07 (GMT+01:00)
An: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org>
Betreff: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG doctors, do we want to go for dinner Sunday evening?

Sorry. Huawei meeting right after welcome reception.

Bert

On 16/07/16 23:04, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Regards, Benoit
>
> _______________________________________________
> yang-doctors mailing list
> yang-doctors@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors
>

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Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:52:37 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Kent Watsen , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:52:43 -0000 On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD: > > 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of 1.1 functionality. > > 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used. > I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason to do so - why would we force them downwards? Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being desirable. :) /js PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the minutes of the Prague meeting. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Jul 18 10:48:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0BF12D1C1 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wWQcQ2ZYZluL for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net [194.109.24.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F025F12B01D for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b0ea.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.176.234]) by smtp-cloud2.xs4all.net with ESMTP id LHon1t00253osVK01HoqBb; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:48:51 +0200 To: Kent Watsen , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:48:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:48:55 -0000 I agree with Juergen here. Bert On 18/07/16 18:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD: >> >> 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of 1.1 functionality. >> >> 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used. >> > > I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1 > functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to > have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason > to do so - why would we force them downwards? > > Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term > direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle > but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being > desirable. :) > > /js > > PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the > minutes of the Prague meeting. > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod > From nobody Mon Jul 18 16:31:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164912DB80 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBru-RSK880k for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 669F312D103 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:31:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1456; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468884695; x=1470094295; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfPvJ6XOjTByY2G3fPgP0QGplX3wLBp9+RWEaWQhC+c=; b=AulDkh2qg+WUraTOyJv9czo6oZM4BUwjK90I+j1KdHzyInETNT77LrLL J+TW52JvETWE1/1WZit2NmPwaFXBh/Qwj3bGzIfbn8x9bVNmCTuq9xvIe a4rnDJEN76Hza8y+mitOLM0CIp0D0qg4usCG+TqBoKOOA/sOaFGBExAA1 o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ATFAD0ZY1X/xbLJq1bhBUqUrpgIoV4A?= =?us-ascii?q?oFwEQEBAQEBAQFlJ4RdAQUBATY2GwsYLicwBgEMBgIBAYgsDr4dAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBGgWGKoF4glWJfh0BBJkkjl+JUIVnkB40IIN1OjKHYgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,386,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="635788863" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 18 Jul 2016 23:31:33 +0000 Received: from [10.61.227.61] ([10.61.227.61]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6INVXrA024451; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:31:33 GMT To: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" , Kent Watsen , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:31:37 -0000 Me too. It should be in RFC6087bis. Now, this doc. is for both Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data Model Documents. So we have to find the appropriate language. Regards, B. > I agree with Juergen here. > > Bert > > On 18/07/16 18:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: >>> >>> >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD: >>> >>> 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of >>> 1.1 functionality. >>> >>> 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used. >>> >> >> I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1 >> functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to >> have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason >> to do so - why would we force them downwards? >> >> Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term >> direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle >> but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being >> desirable. :) >> >> /js >> >> PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the >> minutes of the Prague meeting. >> >> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod >> > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > . > From nobody Tue Jul 19 02:01:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DF212DD1D for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4zxF66CjBjy for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x22d.google.com (mail-vk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC97B12DD89 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x130so15993747vkc.0 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IBikNe8N7GBqMFGwIrpuf6lXLiXS5a7Ri1SxYqssQno=; b=TmYx7qB2q7jdekMMpKlQK2rTH2uaPIwbPaxu7RWX2fKA7Ynqnxsnipd+hYHUJ0n5Cj p5xCjAFp62CQX8USN0oRd7vd1I9oBDT96Px6TOsQ+MzTTI/JmVyTU1LA07q4BumEVQYH ntiDc6rT8IXs6g/X++Y1BCTIhsr7rpSDnEePIfN7GSdJJIXvE++NciFVQkbEKtOuG/o4 Poe7QteTwG0A0cRk0xhkNbjbdiY4ni++ofsxYuwKZgy66Md4TTqXPW8ojg5QwYgKKTdE LiqERxHJsLxMBRhuR1YpsbsqnyBcNQAJ1LxSd+c3UtcZhK7oimWRYiKB5mKVcOVbNo9A jpNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IBikNe8N7GBqMFGwIrpuf6lXLiXS5a7Ri1SxYqssQno=; b=bWIM7gY5aN0wLLmRlv0HSQbCy1pY5PMviWxzXtji3Qd04ORnp4YLPzv6dOJPpIBe7E upItTf0WfodVJiMoGCHl1JLY5u2G5Hq1Em8HctfdxbGslTqeUp/AvD7zA0fTvC5T0bDh nlfCUDJAUFVOxICvLUB11W0RxZ7rAGScYjgi25uK0QMFxxWVHjimhGfD+rANj1C2wWKg WY9L5JMVNfKVBWfh2jp6vBoHrYOclVCaha6fEF7mioMHsNPIhZCQ9rkCQHlAg6wTfTK4 uqUoADnimUorduFqjkOw+LlDo2+dPVC2S0ubUyR3rx7zyfWsJvRJTNeEXqZ00QLrq92B 7MBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIZMIbHwyQsVhQkv/iMMHF37cBbDLQ8dS/zep1W/fbT5pZwHdRJk/ICxHKIUNByVlQ8DjFo7mzD1mQSEw== X-Received: by 10.31.108.220 with SMTP id j89mr19607939vki.68.1468918866895; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.20.2 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> From: Andy Bierman Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: Benoit Claise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11459bca440aed0537f953d5 Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:01:40 -0000 --001a11459bca440aed0537f953d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I will update the guidelines draft but I have no delusions that YANG 1.1 tools are as solid as YANG 1.0 tools. We get a false sense of interoperability because there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used to hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped doing that about 5 years ago. The new components in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically increase the tool complexity. I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve this problem, just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a substitute for real interoperability. Andy On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Me too. > It should be in RFC6087bis. Now, this doc. is for both Authors and > Reviewers of YANG Data Model Documents. > So we have to find the appropriate language. > > Regards, B. > >> I agree with Juergen here. >> >> Bert >> >> On 18/07/16 18:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD: >>>> >>>> 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of >>>> 1.1 functionality. >>>> >>>> 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used. >>>> >>>> >>> I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1 >>> functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to >>> have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason >>> to do so - why would we force them downwards? >>> >>> Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term >>> direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle >>> but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being >>> desirable. :) >>> >>> /js >>> >>> PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the >>> minutes of the Prague meeting. >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> yang-doctors mailing list >> yang-doctors@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors >> . >> >> > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > --001a11459bca440aed0537f953d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I will update the guidelines draft = but I have no delusions that YANG 1.1 tools
are as solid as YANG = 1.0 tools.=C2=A0 We get a false sense of interoperability because
there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used to
hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped = doing that
about 5 years ago.

The new co= mponents in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically increase
= the tool complexity.=C2=A0 I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve this pr= oblem,
just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a subst= itute for real interoperability.


An= dy


On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.= com> wrote:
Me too.
It should be in RFC6087bis. Now, this doc. is for both Authors and Reviewer= s of YANG Data Model Documents.
So we have to find the appropriate language.

Regards, B.
I agree with Juergen here.

Bert

On 18/07/16 18:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:

>From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD:

1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of 1.1 fu= nctionality.

2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used.


I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1
functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to
have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason
to do so - why would we force them downwards?

Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term
direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle
but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being
desirable. :)

/js

PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 minutes of the Prague meeting.

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/min= utes/minutes-93-netmod


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--001a11459bca440aed0537f953d5-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 03:04:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65612D58D for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id klK_Yj4o8dYT for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66D112D5C9 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A53472C; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id DOfCzgeC3phU; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538D020074; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OVdni7Hc-cYp; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32B620069; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 105FA3BD96E7; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:00:20 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Andy Bierman Message-ID: <20160719100020.GA49455@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Andy Bierman , Benoit Claise , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:04:28 -0000 On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 02:01:06AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > I will update the guidelines draft but I have no delusions that YANG 1.1 > tools > are as solid as YANG 1.0 tools. We get a false sense of interoperability > because > there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used to > hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped doing > that > about 5 years ago. > > The new components in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically increase > the tool complexity. I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve this problem, > just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a substitute for real > interoperability. > The sooner tools mature the better. Perhaps it would help to collect facts about how far the various implementations are concerning YANG 1.1 support and what their plans are. So far, pyang was good enough for me to write modules. pyang has been reported to support 1.1 (minus the things pyang never did such as analyzing xpath expressions). During the hackathon, I learned about libyang and I immediately fell in love with it. It is YANG 1.0 right now but I can easily check with Radek when he will add support for YANG 1.1. So what about YANG 1.1 support in yumapro? What about confd? What about YANG 1.1 support in ODL tools? There are a couple of commerical tools (e.g. , ). I can easily ask Matjaz concerning the MG-Soft implementation. [...] Since I did not find a good web page of YANG implementations, I started a new section on the YANG wikipedia page (i have largely edited in the past) . Any key implementations missing before I ask on the NETMOD list for additional input? I am also happy to add which versions of YANG the tools support. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Jul 19 03:16:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F078112B006 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qKfrm8kutSP for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com (mail-vk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31E2612D56F for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id w127so17955405vkh.2 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hOHU09ZHlNhQ1ojBcFtAoLS7uc9Mor+rB41vlFjbnhk=; b=d+IFA6JaUbXbQbLLjekG0v9QWMfzOIgiBwktq0sGYAl8e47DjEj400Ht1kYRMV1li4 YzeIqdUCqKM24fVSaEbyqZ/AXBg1xq6Lokn5NxFB8znJjWkRcddEYwbPWS4R6TPZ4Gtl +YlpfrPHZXu/bsupLSmcwb3+7fenZ1G78jw/Gc2D5agRZFLZP2XRLABh7Vlhy5w4BJez llLNHSX/aV4Ho5U2kk09M4YeCK+lqnjURq4ezss5bXG9r9OwmC4kxjz5W4SS7Gxpnmwq hWyfTGUjC0UIjUw/N34etOYP6Stv0qElHneu1arlyOwmFkvkkasBo5qyFfFHwmepjWP2 gNVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hOHU09ZHlNhQ1ojBcFtAoLS7uc9Mor+rB41vlFjbnhk=; b=Q+GhKTp8rZB84C+AEut3t+8nXxylTyv6UbvuqNS0Kj3VE9KOTtTYstQpKBWY2cYEUz SBIE/SSnR6PAgq21XutTC7EVRgYYXzcKrKJ+opJlcl2i4O0KLjJAl5ltbHXsjT6+NLey Gxvaps5IFH8xVAuPCWtSCzkohx9zs5NDlU7zhrxpH7yI3vYcS86ShjK9LJr98wZf7x1b 4BN2QQ+xXFzE3MyQXIYrtsf+c3inM5IHGLmbMGMw1Jf3DAAn556IPZN32fCHy60hrXJz MHhcSj0lTGbf3hCMyT1rwoSmW+HLOMg60t64N5QCIEO64fiCMAOs+9UHdZ6IBqnjYg4R DKbA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI7TdF+EVOnkCKaWc4fj05xUO6O5K7Irp4tXXxPVzYFvLqttndoAnmTudMhb7XU8YaYGf8xpCJC0DctBA== X-Received: by 10.159.40.74 with SMTP id c68mr19873855uac.9.1468923401133; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.20.2 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160719100020.GA49455@elstar.local> References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> <20160719100020.GA49455@elstar.local> From: Andy Bierman Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:16:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Andy Bierman , Benoit Claise , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c04486a8709a70537fa610d Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:16:45 -0000 --94eb2c04486a8709a70537fa610d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I understand it is hard to do client/server testing without agreeing on the YANG modules first. One of our engineers has been doing testing with the opensource tools and not found very good results. I am about 70% done implementing YANG 1.1 in all our tools. Getting a compiler to validate YANG 1.1 is easy compared to client and server support. Our tools should be done by the next IETF. Implementing the protocols so the code is robust and also fast is challenging. We have seen the performance of existing implementations and I can see everybody is in the same boat. The "edits per second" out there sucks. I guess that's good news for commercial tools. Nobody cares about the implementation complexity of YANG so I am not looking for sympathy, but full toolchains for YANG 1.1 might take 1 - 2 years to be as good as the 1.0 tools. I don't really care that the IETF wants it yesterday. Andy On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 02:01:06AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I will update the guidelines draft but I have no delusions that YANG 1.1 > > tools > > are as solid as YANG 1.0 tools. We get a false sense of interoperability > > because > > there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used to > > hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped doing > > that > > about 5 years ago. > > > > The new components in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically > increase > > the tool complexity. I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve this problem, > > just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a substitute for real > > interoperability. > > > > The sooner tools mature the better. Perhaps it would help to collect > facts about how far the various implementations are concerning YANG > 1.1 support and what their plans are. > > So far, pyang was good enough for me to write modules. pyang has been > reported to support 1.1 (minus the things pyang never did such as > analyzing xpath expressions). During the hackathon, I learned about > libyang and I immediately fell in love with it. It is YANG 1.0 right > now but I can easily check with Radek when he will add support for > YANG 1.1. So what about YANG 1.1 support in yumapro? What about confd? > What about YANG 1.1 support in ODL tools? There are a couple of > commerical tools (e.g. , > ). I can easily ask Matjaz concerning the > MG-Soft implementation. > > [...] > > Since I did not find a good web page of YANG implementations, I > started a new section on the YANG wikipedia page (i have largely > edited in the past) . Any key > implementations missing before I ask on the NETMOD list for additional > input? I am also happy to add which versions of YANG the tools > support. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > --94eb2c04486a8709a70537fa610d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I understand it is hard to do clien= t/server testing without agreeing on the
YANG modules first.=C2= =A0 One of our engineers has been doing testing
with the opensour= ce tools and not found very good results.

I am abo= ut 70% done implementing YANG 1.1 in all our tools.
Getting a com= piler to validate YANG 1.1 is easy compared
to client and server = support.=C2=A0

Our tools should be done by the nex= t IETF.
Implementing the protocols so the code is robust and also= fast
is challenging.=C2=A0 We have seen the performance of exist= ing implementations
and I can see everybody is in the same boat.= =C2=A0 The "edits per second"
out there sucks. I guess = that's good news for commercial tools.

Nobody = cares about the implementation complexity of YANG so
I am not loo= king for sympathy, but full toolchains for YANG 1.1
might take 1 = - 2 years to be as good as the 1.0 tools.
I don't really care= that the IETF wants it yesterday.


= Andy


On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 02:01:06AM -0700, = Andy Bierman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I will update the guidelines draft but I have no delusions that YANG 1= .1
> tools
> are as solid as YANG 1.0 tools.=C2=A0 We get a false sense of interope= rability
> because
> there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used t= o
> hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped doi= ng
> that
> about 5 years ago.
>
> The new components in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically incr= ease
> the tool complexity.=C2=A0 I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve th= is problem,
> just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a substitute for re= al
> interoperability.
>

The sooner tools mature the better. Perhaps it would help to collect
facts about how far the various implementations are concerning YANG
1.1 support and what their plans are.

So far, pyang was good enough for me to write modules. pyang has been
reported to support 1.1 (minus the things pyang never did such as
analyzing xpath expressions). During the hackathon, I learned about
libyang and I immediately fell in love with it. It is YANG 1.0 right
now but I can easily check with Radek when he will add support for
YANG 1.1. So what about YANG 1.1 support in yumapro? What about confd?
What about YANG 1.1 support in ODL tools? There are a couple of
commerical tools (e.g. <http://www.seguesoft.com/>,
<http://www.mg-soft.com>). I can easily ask Matjaz concerning the MG-Soft implementation.

[...]

Since I did not find a good web page of YANG implementations, I
started a new section on the YANG wikipedia page (i have largely
edited in the past) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YANG>= ;. Any key
implementations missing before I ask on the NETMOD list for additional
input? I am also happy to add which versions of YANG the tools
support.

/js

--
Juergen Schoenwaelder=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jacobs Univer= sity Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Campus Ring 1 | 28= 759 Bremen | Germany
Fax:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+49 421 200 3103=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://www.jacobs-university.de/>

--94eb2c04486a8709a70537fa610d-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 04:04:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B23812D179 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:04:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8d-Jcf9_6eS for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE7EF12D12E for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E248E4D; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 21rrInCDn3L5; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14220075; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGD4SZDTVH0J; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56CB20069; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6B6153BD9AB8; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:52 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Andy Bierman Message-ID: <20160719110352.GA49653@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Andy Bierman , Benoit Claise , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> <4bbf3499-ec3f-78a7-1e09-0834c1a23681@bwijnen.net> <143ed8b0-3ab1-312d-c89f-95af6e076c08@cisco.com> <20160719100020.GA49455@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:00 -0000 Andy, I hear you but given the lifetime of RFCs and the typical adoption speed of data models defined in RFCs, I think we can affort to mature toolchains in parallel as long as there is sufficient out there to get started. More interoperability testing of protocol interactions surely will help as well but I see this as a different activity somone has to organize. Finding common data models should be easier today given that we have ietf-interfaces and friends. What I personally found missing at the hackathon was someone trying to run ODL against netopeer2/sysrepo etc. Most people are focussed on improving their own project, which is understandable, but if I attend another hackathon (currently no plans to travel to Seoul or Chicago) I would like to try something like this (just to learn more about open source tools out there). /js On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 03:16:40AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > I understand it is hard to do client/server testing without agreeing on the > YANG modules first. One of our engineers has been doing testing > with the opensource tools and not found very good results. > > I am about 70% done implementing YANG 1.1 in all our tools. > Getting a compiler to validate YANG 1.1 is easy compared > to client and server support. > > Our tools should be done by the next IETF. > Implementing the protocols so the code is robust and also fast > is challenging. We have seen the performance of existing implementations > and I can see everybody is in the same boat. The "edits per second" > out there sucks. I guess that's good news for commercial tools. > > Nobody cares about the implementation complexity of YANG so > I am not looking for sympathy, but full toolchains for YANG 1.1 > might take 1 - 2 years to be as good as the 1.0 tools. > I don't really care that the IETF wants it yesterday. > > > Andy > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 02:01:06AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I will update the guidelines draft but I have no delusions that YANG 1.1 > > > tools > > > are as solid as YANG 1.0 tools. We get a false sense of interoperability > > > because > > > there is really only 1 toolset being used by the IETF. The IETF used to > > > hold interoperability tests to verify tool maturity but we stopped doing > > > that > > > about 5 years ago. > > > > > > The new components in the pipeline like schema mount dramatically > > increase > > > the tool complexity. I don't expect YANG Doctors to solve this problem, > > > just be aware that "pyang --ietf" is not a substitute for real > > > interoperability. > > > > > > > The sooner tools mature the better. Perhaps it would help to collect > > facts about how far the various implementations are concerning YANG > > 1.1 support and what their plans are. > > > > So far, pyang was good enough for me to write modules. pyang has been > > reported to support 1.1 (minus the things pyang never did such as > > analyzing xpath expressions). During the hackathon, I learned about > > libyang and I immediately fell in love with it. It is YANG 1.0 right > > now but I can easily check with Radek when he will add support for > > YANG 1.1. So what about YANG 1.1 support in yumapro? What about confd? > > What about YANG 1.1 support in ODL tools? There are a couple of > > commerical tools (e.g. , > > ). I can easily ask Matjaz concerning the > > MG-Soft implementation. > > > > [...] > > > > Since I did not find a good web page of YANG implementations, I > > started a new section on the YANG wikipedia page (i have largely > > edited in the past) . Any key > > implementations missing before I ask on the NETMOD list for additional > > input? I am also happy to add which versions of YANG the tools > > support. > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Jul 19 08:23:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201AE12DE82 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkzyWHQEe6Lm for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1C212E191 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-a29b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.162.155]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E0391CC0230; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:04:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> References: <20160718165237.GA47928@elstar.local> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.22 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.51.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:04:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] recommending yang 1.1 X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:23:51 -0000 Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD: >> >> 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage of 1.1 functionality. >> >> 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used. >> > > I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1 > functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to > have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason > to do so - why would we force them downwards? A related question is what tools are supposed to do. In my view, a tool should accept 1.1 modules only after they support at least non-trivial part of 1.1 features. So I guess I am more in favour of Kent's original formulation - we shouldn't create unnecessary problems to existing tools. As Andy wrote, some of the new features require substantial work, so it takes time to implement them. Of course, I do support 1. > > Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term > direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle > but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being > desirable. :) > > /js > > PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the > minutes of the Prague meeting. > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod Now that 6020bis is about to become an RFC, this question has just become more pressing. 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I think it is just fine to > > have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason > > to do so - why would we force them downwards? > > A related question is what tools are supposed to do. In my view, a tool > should accept 1.1 modules only after they support at least non-trivial > part of 1.1 features. > I agree. We have not enable 1.1 in our released code. Source code licensees can turn it on. I have been relying on Martin's list of changes to keep track of to-do tasks. Obviously very implementation-specific, but simple concepts like "allow a leaf-list to have N defaults" is a bit tricky to implement in the server. We certainly have enough implemented to cover all the stuff IETF modules are using, including all the new XPath, anydata, actions, if-feature, and notifications. We will turn on 1.1 for real in our October release. Andy > So I guess I am more in favour of Kent's original formulation - we > shouldn't create unnecessary problems to existing tools. As Andy wrote, > some > of the new features require substantial work, so it takes time to > implement them. > > Of course, I do support 1. > > > > > Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term > > direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle > > but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being > > desirable. :) > > > > /js > > > > PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the > > minutes of the Prague meeting. > > > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod > > Now that 6020bis is about to become an RFC, this question has just > become more pressing. > > Lada > > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C > > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > --94eb2c11c30492cafb0537fef6b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Ladislav Lhotka <= lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.sc= hoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> writes:

> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 04:36:34PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
>>
>> >From the NETMOD meeting just now, doctors SHOULD:
>>
>> 1) recommend modules upgrade to 1.1 iff they could take advantage = of 1.1 functionality.
>>
>> 2) recommend they use 1.0 when no 1.1 functionality is being used.=
>>
>
> I think 2) should be rather 'accept they use 1.0 when no 1.1
> functionality is being used or useful'. I think it is just fine to=
> have modules use 1.1 that do not have specific strong technical reason=
> to do so - why would we force them downwards?

A related question is what tools are supposed to do. In my view, a tool
should accept 1.1 modules only after they support at least non-trivial
part of 1.1 features.

I agree.
We have not enable 1.1 in our released code.
Source code licens= ees can turn it on.
I have been relying on Martin's list of c= hanges to keep track of to-do tasks.

Obviously ver= y implementation-specific, but simple concepts like
"allow a= leaf-list to have N defaults" is a bit tricky to implement in the ser= ver.
We certainly have enough implemented to cover all the stuff = IETF
modules are using, including all the new XPath, anydata, act= ions, if-feature,
and notifications.=C2=A0 We will turn on 1.1 fo= r real in our October release.


Andy=


So I guess I am more in favour of Kent's original formulation - we
shouldn't create unnecessary problems to existing tools. As Andy wrote,= some
of the new features require substantial work, so it takes time to
implement them.

Of course, I do support 1.

>
> Personally, I would rather push for 1.1 since this is the long-term > direction and most RFCs have a somewhat longish and static lifecycle > but then my opinion is likely very much biased towards 1.1 being
> desirable. :)
>
> /js
>
> PS: This whole topic was discussed before at least once, see the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0minutes of the Prague meeting.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.iet= f.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-netmod

Now that 6020bis is about to become an RFC, this question has just
become more pressing.

Lada

>
> --
> Juergen Schoenwaelder=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jacobs U= niversity Bremen gGmbH
> Phone: +49 421 200 3587=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Campus Ring 1= | 28759 Bremen | Germany
> Fax:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+49 421 200 3103=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<= ;http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> yang-doctor= s@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-do= ctors

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a YANG container that represents an object with several fields in an= external YANG file. I need to use this object in an RPC input. I've tried to use "uses" but it seems to work only with "grouping". I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like encapsul= ate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it. Any ideas? Thanks. --_000_DF4PR84MB0297F4A60E2E21F63F942A14EA370DF4PR84MB0297NAMP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I have a YANG container that represents an object wi= th several fields in an external YANG file.

I need to use this object in an RPC input.

 

I’ve tried to use “uses” but it se= ems to work only with “grouping”.

 

I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can c= hange it (like encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way = to do it.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks.

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Hi,

You seem to be confusing the concep= tual model (grouping/uses)
with the external representation of th= e model (import, include).
Your conceptual model must be defined = in YANG.=C2=A0 You cannot
refer to an external file at all.
=

Andy


On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, El= isha <elisha.oren@hpe.com> wrote:

Hi,

I have a YANG container that represents an object wi= th several fields in an external YANG file.

I need to use this object in an RPC input.=

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but= it seems to work only with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can c= hange it (like encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way = to do it.

=C2=A0

Any ideas?

=C2=A0

Thanks.


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Hey folks,  A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted t= o meet with a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions.  We were looking= at a time of 9:30 tomorrow (Thursday).  We could meet in the registra= tion area.
 
Would someone be available to help?
 
We have questions around:
  • Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. &= #8220;if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want = to define ranges of capabilities.
  • Handling of mandatory statement a= nd augmentations
  • Handling of counters – vendor differences of= several types – ways to handle in a common model.  We have some= ideas and input that we would like to run by you.
 
Thanks,
Norm
 
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bh=Tu1+1pCHOVFmGy1husLKZX9gH/jh2lpukZnM0RlZwe4=; h=From:Date:To; b=g1zJeTyIgi4aj4eFrzUioNWfG2QLpdiODw5l7sx6Ij7XOaPFqpfPK96985LoKuv+r CnXNKq5lza0XigI0BRbZ5bkYlJw1MY6O6H+MwRWfcoVk02mcwzMn0Uqom5ertcjmwx ecaibHT57BbzlZ9WDfPeYqtdbhv5djxHmtmeczbY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:48:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63EA95DB-7C4F-45C0-A6B8-ABC339A8938B@nic.cz> References: To: "Oren, Elisha" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:49:02 -0000 > On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:32, Oren, Elisha wrote: >=20 > Thanks for your reply but I feel like my question wasn=E2=80=99t clear = enough, > =20 > let say I have this container: > =20 > container obj { > leaf a { =20 > type string; > } > leaf b { =20 > type string; > } > leaf c { =20 > type string; > } > } > =20 > And I want to write rpc that gets the container parameters (to create = one for example) with some additional parameters : Why would you need a new RPC? NM protocols have built-in operations for = performing such changes (creating and editing an instance). Lada > =20 > rpc create-obj { > input { > leaf a { =20 > type string; > } > leaf b { =20 > type string; > } > leaf c { =20 > type string; > } > =20 > leaf additional-parameter { > type string; > } > } > output { > leaf status { > type string; > } > } > } > =20 > I=E2=80=99m looking for a way to avoid code - duplication of all the = fields, something like > =20 > rpc create-obj { > input { > > =20 > leaf additional-parameter { > type string; > } > } > output { > leaf status { > type string; > } > } > } > =20 > Is there a way to to it or I=E2=80=99ll have to write and maintain the = structure in two places? > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > =20 > From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:04 > To: Oren, Elisha > Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input > =20 > Hi, > =20 > You seem to be confusing the conceptual model (grouping/uses) > with the external representation of the model (import, include). > Your conceptual model must be defined in YANG. You cannot > refer to an external file at all. > =20 > Andy > =20 > =20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, Elisha = wrote: > Hi, > I have a YANG container that represents an object with several fields = in an external YANG file. > I need to use this object in an RPC input. > =20 > I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but it seems to work = only with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D. > =20 > I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like = encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it. > =20 > Any ideas? > =20 > Thanks. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors >=20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Wed Jul 20 23:54:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D9112D5EB for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5coRlIva-sO for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x230.google.com (mail-vk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45BBD12B02B for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id s189so100536002vkh.1 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g97gXI+lFTPd8f4wdT3Fp9moKeMtBdB8PgnTVsFGgew=; b=1kEzUm6n9pulHW5UPE/UYLnFGR4iBYAhul1GxVwkvVoTb1VOKZkiBj5Bwzc1oofToX BuczzesjgOKDqs2mNlmN61NrLSNxEGdCMhqsmos2NJBSmt0mrhOQRs3Yti1NI/mk7vM9 LR8ZK88HBmn1EoYiMEehUJ1BEWBWmEa6Ca/AjN4rYFzLRhO5Hm4zdHgRrHR5D5hWeJqG /JLPQrCIcHtkD9s78fBYKrsXOFn24pWVTbuA+jKtr+/2mYEuyNfXw4WYB3WCLWuVm+3y XgCiAFa4RLQm/cQZFFMbLa0uXVpU6UOaX7aRWcb/aRtpsevMvHqOD5xtn/dXSHbotN+w VUZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g97gXI+lFTPd8f4wdT3Fp9moKeMtBdB8PgnTVsFGgew=; b=dSKaI0dH4Lxyp6ASvKcMutsrMIGCJOFkaJylSMCOMQzz5qAj5a7KvtwMdcTeK4mPBs Oh07fC/VUSHabfaopoBrIFNE9q0U0CZ8JIzs1IY+OA5TZuVD49oIaMiv8nNKDEjOvupC 9UvB89S+nh4abh7JNiPHtrbTJ12unvbj+eTvtxABD/nn1oelP9fhMlvRDlBy1vKHsVgH +APqUPHQGgv/xg5nYsEasaScxpEOU69w/ycZuT70zd0KjedwrrbWHatHzD2OEEhDGEr4 RK2qQsuRempIjrKb4+34CjaL2FrbAQiEGP/zZPBRLaR1fLX2d+iiZR8RtBqVky2W/ppD C7uQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLzAKbAN+s2l4EUzdAeaXqb1KuKKMDg3UB2dUQDlYm7VE1vGtuD5q9dZ+FYJptH7GE6UGXOQknhSL9oag== X-Received: by 10.31.231.3 with SMTP id e3mr25666877vkh.13.1469084043394; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.20.2 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <63EA95DB-7C4F-45C0-A6B8-ABC339A8938B@nic.cz> From: Andy Bierman Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:54:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Oren, Elisha" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c095ca48d554c05381fc876 Archived-At: Cc: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:54:06 -0000 --94eb2c095ca48d554c05381fc876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I don't know about other YANG doctors, but would never approve any module that replicates the basic operations in NETCONF. I realize every YANG designer thinks their module is special but it's not. It does not scale at all to have 100 different create-foo operations. Andy On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Oren, Elisha wrote: > Because the RPC gets more additional arguments, and I want the rpc to do > more things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ladislav Lhotka [mailto:lhotka@nic.cz] > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 17:49 > To: Oren, Elisha > Cc: Andy Bierman ; Benoit Claise < > yang-doctors@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input > > > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:32, Oren, Elisha wrote: > > > > Thanks for your reply but I feel like my question wasn=E2=80=99t clear = enough, > > > > let say I have this container: > > > > container obj { > > leaf a { > > type string; > > } > > leaf b { > > type string; > > } > > leaf c { > > type string; > > } > > } > > > > And I want to write rpc that gets the container parameters (to create > one for example) with some additional parameters : > > Why would you need a new RPC? NM protocols have built-in operations for > performing such changes (creating and editing an instance). > > Lada > > > > > rpc create-obj { > > input { > > leaf a { > > type string; > > } > > leaf b { > > type string; > > } > > leaf c { > > type string; > > } > > > > leaf additional-parameter { > > type string; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf status { > > type string; > > } > > } > > } > > > > I=E2=80=99m looking for a way to avoid code - duplication of all the fi= elds, > > something like > > > > rpc create-obj { > > input { > > > > > > leaf additional-parameter { > > type string; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf status { > > type string; > > } > > } > > } > > > > Is there a way to to it or I=E2=80=99ll have to write and maintain the = structure > in two places? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:04 > > To: Oren, Elisha > > Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input > > > > Hi, > > > > You seem to be confusing the conceptual model (grouping/uses) with the > > external representation of the model (import, include). > > Your conceptual model must be defined in YANG. You cannot refer to an > > external file at all. > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, Elisha > wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a YANG container that represents an object with several fields i= n > an external YANG file. > > I need to use this object in an RPC input. > > > > I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but it seems to work o= nly with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D. > > > > I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like > encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C > > > > > --94eb2c095ca48d554c05381fc876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I don't know about other YANG d= octors, but would never approve any
module that replicates the ba= sic operations in NETCONF.=C2=A0 I realize every
YANG designer th= inks their module is special but it's not.=C2=A0 It does not scale
at all to have 100 different create-foo operations.

Andy


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Oren, Elisha <elish= a.oren@hpe.com> wrote:
Beca= use the RPC gets more additional arguments, and I want the rpc to do more t= hings.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ladislav Lhotka [mailto:lhotka@nic.c= z]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 17:49
To: Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe= .com>
Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.c= om>; Benoit Claise <yang= -doctors@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input


> On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:32, Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply but I feel like my question wasn=E2=80=99t clear= enough,
>
> let say I have this container:
>
> container obj {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf a {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type string;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf b {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type string;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf c {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type string;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> }
>
> And I want to write rpc that gets the container parameters (to create = one for example) with some additional parameters :

Why would you need a new RPC? NM protocols have built-in operations for per= forming such changes (creating and editing an instance).

Lada

>
> rpc create-obj {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 input {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf a {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type string;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf b {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf c {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf additional-parameter { >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 output {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf status {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> }
>
> I=E2=80=99m looking for a way to avoid code - duplication of all the f= ields,
> something like
>
> rpc create-obj {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 input {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <all obj fields>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf additional-parameter { >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 output {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf status {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type stri= ng;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> }
>
> Is there a way to to it or I=E2=80=99ll have to write and maintain the= structure in two places?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@= yumaworks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:04
> To: Oren, Elisha <elisha.ore= n@hpe.com>
> Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org=
> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input
>
> Hi,
>
> You seem to be confusing the conceptual model (grouping/uses) with the=
> external representation of the model (import, include).
> Your conceptual model must be defined in YANG.=C2=A0 You cannot refer = to an
> external file at all.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a YANG container that represents an object with several fields = in an external YANG file.
> I need to use this object in an RPC input.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but it seems to work = only with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D.
>
> I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like enc= apsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> yang-doctors mailing list
> yang-doctors@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-do= ctors
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yang-doctors mailing list
> yang-doctors@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-do= ctors

--
Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs
PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C





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I realize = every > YANG designer thinks their module is special but it's not. It does = not scale > at all to have 100 different create-foo operations. >=20 > Andy >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Oren, Elisha > wrote: > Because the RPC gets more additional arguments, and I want the rpc to = do more things. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ladislav Lhotka [mailto:lhotka@nic.cz ] > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 17:49 > To: Oren, Elisha > > Cc: Andy Bierman >; = Benoit Claise > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input >=20 >=20 > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:32, Oren, Elisha > wrote: > > > > Thanks for your reply but I feel like my question wasn=E2=80=99t = clear enough, > > > > let say I have this container: > > > > container obj { > > leaf a { > > type string; > > } > > leaf b { > > type string; > > } > > leaf c { > > type string; > > } > > } > > > > And I want to write rpc that gets the container parameters (to = create one for example) with some additional parameters : >=20 > Why would you need a new RPC? NM protocols have built-in operations = for performing such changes (creating and editing an instance). >=20 > Lada >=20 > > > > rpc create-obj { > > input { > > leaf a { > > type string; > > } > > leaf b { > > type string; > > } > > leaf c { > > type string; > > } > > > > leaf additional-parameter { > > type string; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf status { > > type string; > > } > > } > > } > > > > I=E2=80=99m looking for a way to avoid code - duplication of all the = fields, > > something like > > > > rpc create-obj { > > input { > > > > > > leaf additional-parameter { > > type string; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf status { > > type string; > > } > > } > > } > > > > Is there a way to to it or I=E2=80=99ll have to write and maintain = the structure in two places? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com = ] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:04 > > To: Oren, Elisha > > > Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input > > > > Hi, > > > > You seem to be confusing the conceptual model (grouping/uses) with = the > > external representation of the model (import, include). > > Your conceptual model must be defined in YANG. You cannot refer to = an > > external file at all. > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, Elisha > wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a YANG container that represents an object with several = fields in an external YANG file. > > I need to use this object in an RPC input. > > > > I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but it seems to = work only with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D. > > > > I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like = encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors = > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors = >=20 > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors --Apple-Mail=_2178BFE4-4AA4-4B1F-9A49-274608DEAF0C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 +1
/jan


On 21 juli 2016, at 08:54, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> = wrote:

Hi,

I don't know about other YANG doctors, but would never = approve any
module that replicates the basic = operations in NETCONF.  I realize every
YANG = designer thinks their module is special but it's not.  It does not = scale
at all to have 100 different create-foo = operations.

Andy


On Wed, = Jul 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com> wrote:
Because the RPC gets = more additional arguments, and I want the rpc to do more things.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ladislav Lhotka [mailto:lhotka@nic.cz]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 17:49
To: Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com>
Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; Benoit Claise <yang-doctors@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input


> On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:32, Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com>= wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply but I feel like my question wasn=E2=80=99t = clear enough,
>
> let say I have this container:
>
> container obj {
>      leaf a {
>            type string;
>      }
>      leaf b {
>            type string;
>      }
>      leaf c {
>            type string;
>      }
> }
>
> And I want to write rpc that gets the container parameters (to = create one for example) with some additional parameters :

Why would you need a new RPC? NM protocols have built-in operations for = performing such changes (creating and editing an instance).
=
Lada

>
> rpc create-obj {
>      input {
>            leaf a {
>            type string;
>            }
>            leaf b {
>                 type = string;
>            }
>            leaf c {
>                 type = string;
>            }
>
>            leaf additional-parameter = {
>                 type = string;
>            }
>      }
>      output {
>            leaf status {
= >                 type = string;
>            }
>      }
> }
>
> I=E2=80=99m looking for a way to avoid code - duplication of all = the fields,
> something like
>
> rpc create-obj {
>      input {
>            <all obj fields>
>
>            leaf additional-parameter = {
>                 type = string;
>            }
>      }
>      output {
>            leaf status {
= >                 type = string;
>            }
>      }
> }
>
> Is there a way to to it or I=E2=80=99ll have to write and maintain = the structure in two places?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:04
> To: Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com>
> Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] how to use container in rpc input
>
> Hi,
>
> You seem to be confusing the conceptual model (grouping/uses) with = the
> external representation of the model (import, include).
> Your conceptual model must be defined in YANG.  You cannot = refer to an
> external file at all.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Oren, Elisha <elisha.oren@hpe.com>= wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a YANG container that represents an object with several = fields in an external YANG file.
> I need to use this object in an RPC input.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve tried to use =E2=80=9Cuses=E2=80=9D but it seems to = work only with =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D.
>
> I prefer to use the external file as it, but I can change it (like = encapsulate it with grouping etc) if there is no better way to do it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey folks, did not have any takers for this morning. Wondering if anyone = has time today. We would be available to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2. If we could get a yang doctor's time, that would be great. Thx. Topics wo= uld be: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" is= a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capabi= lities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways t= o handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would lik= e to run by you. * Defining of capabilities per interface (or some other hw entity) Thanks, Norm _____________________________________________ From: Norm Strahle Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org' Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud) Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor Hey folks, A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted to meet wit= h a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions. We were looking at a time of 9= :30 tomorrow (Thursday). We could meet in the registration area. Would someone be available to help? We have questions around: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" is= a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capabi= lities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways t= o handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would lik= e to run by you. Thanks, Norm --_000_BY2PR05MB2279BC83372766262C279FCBCF090BY2PR05MB2279namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey folks,  did not have any takers for t= his morning.  Wondering if anyone has time today.  We would be av= ailable to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2.
 
If we could get a yang doctor’s time, th= at would be great.  Thx.  Topics would be:
 
  • Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. &= #8220;if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want = to define ranges of capabilities.
  • Handling of mandatory statement a= nd augmentations
  • Handling of counters – vendor differences of= several types – ways to handle in a common model.  We have some= ideas and input that we would like to run by you.
  • Defining of capa= bilities per interface (or some other hw entity)
    •
 
Thanks,
Norm
 
 
_____= ________________________________________
From: Norm Strahle
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM
To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org'
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)
Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor
 
 
Hey folks,  A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted t= o meet with a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions.  We were looking= at a time of 9:30 tomorrow (Thursday).  We could meet in the registra= tion area.
 
Would someone be available to help?
 
We have questions around:
  • Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. &= #8220;if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want = to define ranges of capabilities.
  • Handling of mandatory statement a= nd augmentations
  • Handling of counters – vendor differences of= several types – ways to handle in a common model.  We have some= ideas and input that we would like to run by you.
 
Thanks,
Norm
 
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x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75243EAEAZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Aseem Choudhary \(asechoud\)" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:28:01 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75243EAEAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Norm, Did you find somebody to help already? If you did not, I suggest to come close to 2PM near the Chess room, where t= he YANG doctors team hold a working lunch - many of them will be there. Regards, Dan From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Norm= Strahle Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:23 AM To: Norm Strahle; yang-doctors@ietf.org Cc: Aseem Choudhary (asechoud) Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor Hey folks, did not have any takers for this morning. Wondering if anyone = has time today. We would be available to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2. If we could get a yang doctor's time, that would be great. Thx. Topics wo= uld be: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" = is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capa= bilities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways= to handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would l= ike to run by you. * Defining of capabilities per interface (or some other hw entity) Thanks, Norm _____________________________________________ From: Norm Strahle Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org' Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud) Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor Hey folks, A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted to meet wit= h a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions. We were looking at a time of 9= :30 tomorrow (Thursday). We could meet in the registration area. Would someone be available to help? We have questions around: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" = is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capa= bilities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways= to handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would l= ike to run by you. Thanks, Norm --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75243EAEAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Norm,

 <= /p>

Did you find somebody to = help already?

 <= /p>

If you did not, I suggest= to come close to 2PM near the Chess room, where the YANG doctors team hold= a working lunch – many of them will be there.

 <= /p>

Regards,

 <= /p>

Dan

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: yang-doc= tors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Norm Strahle
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:23 AM
To: Norm Strahle; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Cc: Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)
Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] requesting a time slot with a Yang docto= r

 

Hey folks,  did not = have any takers for this morning.  Wondering if anyone has time today.=   We would be available to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2.

 

If we could get a yang do= ctor’s time, that would be great.  Thx.  Topics would be:

 

·       &= nbsp; Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.= g. “if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we w= ant to define ranges of capabilities.

·       &= nbsp; Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations=

·       &= nbsp; Handling of counters – vendor differences of several types &#= 8211; ways to handle in a common model.  We have some ideas and input that we would like to run by you.

·       &= nbsp; Defining of capabilities per interface (or some other hw entity)

 

Thanks,

Norm<= o:p>

 

 

________________________________________= _____
From: Norm Strahle
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM
To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org'
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)
Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor

 

 

Hey folks,  A couple of us working= on the diffserv draft wanted to meet with a Yang Doctor to discuss a few q= uestions.  We were looking at a time of 9:30 tomorrow (Thursday). = ; We could meet in the registration area.

 

Would someone be available to help?

 

We have questions around:

·         Defini= ng “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. “if-f= eature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define = ranges of capabilities.

·         Handli= ng of mandatory statement and augmentations

·         Handli= ng of counters – vendor differences of several types – ways to = handle in a common model.  We have some ideas and input that we would like to run by you.

 

Thanks,

Norm

 

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So we are all set. Thx, Norm _____________________________________________ From: Norm Strahle Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:26 AM To: Norm Strahle; 'yang-doctors@ietf.org' Cc: 'Mahesh Jethanandani'; 'Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)' Subject: RE: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor Hey folks, did not have any takers for this morning. Wondering if anyone = has time today. We would be available to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2. If we could get a yang doctor's time, that would be great. Thx. Topics wo= uld be: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" is= a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capabi= lities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways t= o handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would lik= e to run by you. * Defining of capabilities per interface (or some other hw entity) Thanks, Norm _____________________________________________ From: Norm Strahle Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org' Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud) Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor Hey folks, A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted to meet wit= h a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions. We were looking at a time of 9= :30 tomorrow (Thursday). We could meet in the registration area. Would someone be available to help? We have questions around: * Defining "capabilities" that are not Boolean - e.g. "if-feature" is= a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want to define ranges of capabi= lities. * Handling of mandatory statement and augmentations * Handling of counters - vendor differences of several types - ways t= o handle in a common model. We have some ideas and input that we would lik= e to run by you. Thanks, Norm --_000_BY2PR05MB2279BD65CADD03B9DD7A19E7CF090BY2PR05MB2279namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey folks, we cornered Andy and he was very he= lpful.  So we are all set.
 
Thx,
Norm
 
_____= ________________________________________
From: Norm Strahle
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:26 AM
To: Norm Strahle; 'yang-doctors@ietf.org'
Cc: 'Mahesh Jethanandani'; 'Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)'
Subject: RE: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor=
 
 
Hey folks,  did not have any takers for t= his morning.  Wondering if anyone has time today.  We would be av= ailable to talk today at 11:00, noon, or 2.
 
If we could get a yang doctor’s time, th= at would be great.  Thx.  Topics would be:
 
  • Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. &= #8220;if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want = to define ranges of capabilities.
  • Handling of mandatory statement a= nd augmentations
  • Handling of counters – vendor differences of= several types – ways to handle in a common model.  We have some= ideas and input that we would like to run by you.
  • Defining of capa= bilities per interface (or some other hw entity)
    •
 
Thanks,
Norm
 
 
_____= ________________________________________
From: Norm Strahle
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:28 PM
To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org'
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani; Aseem Choudhary (asechoud)
Subject: requesting a time slot with a Yang doctor
 
 
Hey folks,  A couple of us working on the diffserv draft wanted t= o meet with a Yang Doctor to discuss a few questions.  We were looking= at a time of 9:30 tomorrow (Thursday).  We could meet in the registra= tion area.
 
Would someone be available to help?
 
We have questions around:
  • Defining “capabilities” that are not Boolean – e.g. &= #8220;if-feature” is a Boolean, either supported or not. But we want = to define ranges of capabilities.
  • Handling of mandatory statement a= nd augmentations
  • Handling of counters – vendor differences of= several types – ways to handle in a common model.  We have some= ideas and input that we would like to run by you.
 
Thanks,
Norm
 
 --_000_BY2PR05MB2279BD65CADD03B9DD7A19E7CF090BY2PR05MB2279namp_-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 04:36:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A6B12DF22 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y1M-8yZHl8ku for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7514F12D5AF for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2645B158F for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 23O27yEnKCtr for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B491200F4 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bbIb5j3vLHt; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0020123; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id EF6103BDE2B7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:27 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: yang-doctors@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160721113127.GA54084@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: yang-doctors@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] faq: where can I find good yang tutorials? 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Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.24.34.97] ([128.107.241.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k9sm13067263pfj.63.2016.07.21.08.06.17 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A8E8236-442B-485C-934F-6F0B28D85780@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:06:15 +0200 To: YANG Doctors Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG FAQ X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:06:24 -0000 The chairs of NETCONF and NETMOD (Kent Watsen) cannot find the YANG FAQ = page.=20 A google search of =E2=80=9Cietf yang faq=E2=80=9D yields several links = none of which point to anything that looks like a FAQ. There is no link = from the OPS Area Wiki link to the FAQ. The link from NETMOD Wiki page = to a FAQ points to an old FAQ that is not the same FAQ. I know it = exists, because I have made an entry, but if you ask me I cannot find = it. Can we fix it. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Fri Jul 22 00:34:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9A812D5EB; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrKHpD_l1gRw; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B13F212DA99; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-x236.google.com with SMTP id fi15so37228517pac.1; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=ER3yM4XHBQQAa4MWpKSqVYM8jBHb6RS2S4ufRC5qJE8=; b=rnZtXEtzHfe7DkoYwmgt99xIKZ/mrByFJ//raL8MoFKtRLfGLZfyw6YECyI1CeAaI+ GRaBCppsf64fPEsuqa8IlTcpEMkA5hvF4iW3BOC05KEfklvQ6DSIYHFJ4MuHlz0kbb0J AGCoqSFq75ej8/jVTc7LORkf49m5QoDxkH3t0Uth7iX4dp7Avt3uHBFqDK9r/YYZqjs3 2zKIJwWIbU3K7CG/toaeKV05QtfybrcUGldOGYpDRmxZIturc+gcmcKwUkUlizNkUGD5 4WpQrXgN9KtzJLO+i9VdmMnqN7XdtxYrUGYIKAXx1T1Goe7zUZl/5lXio5YH90L2Xag2 vvDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=ER3yM4XHBQQAa4MWpKSqVYM8jBHb6RS2S4ufRC5qJE8=; b=RwPIHDCAFnnHvO3w1xpdu82dBXi6pGxcpvAg0E9sadm40IlzAchyDEaA5EkyxH5Oo1 c4PyF4Lxm/E1lieUPyElMaOL+Q55HRC3kyWtUH9s755DkOL380+QovWhoDUuO2u22leR METr8xpIXx34tAXf4/gC6mFGMFVA5e5W+yT3UUpvpzAiPL6kn/rjDlTG/wvp4/2RAer0 5ecYpPMuLa98Z2HislYfUUslevXtZ+qmhSh36ZrdSifoE18KYQHlzn2JVdVAJPiawtCr 1eVOlJqT7IIiMKYRVxgdYO0ErDkcL32iSb93BSlnlhfppbNuVISc19Iv7pwZT/gwzeIJ xRbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoous+yn0htCqIyG+dvDNKinz5Fj+A9CykcGx6Whx7XL0lmLwKiOr3ZYsJ2/Z4dmYy2Q== X-Received: by 10.66.15.138 with SMTP id x10mr3985801pac.92.1469172852870; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.24.9.71] ([128.107.241.161]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f84sm17308265pfd.87.2016.07.22.00.34.11 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_11695F17-BF09-4776-9C27-6170EBF202B5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <5717BEB6-46B6-47EB-BE9B-F8A5AE2E8EFB@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:34:09 +0200 Message-Id: <23BBAF4A-0468-42D9-9086-D5EEAEE16F95@gmail.com> References: <5717BEB6-46B6-47EB-BE9B-F8A5AE2E8EFB@cisco.com> To: "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] Feedback on options for issue #1 in TE tunnel YANG X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:34:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_11695F17-BF09-4776-9C27-6170EBF202B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Tarek, I am not sure I understand all the options you are describing, so maybe = would need to understand that. I also do not understand the CON in the = first option where you talk about leafrefs being error prone. Assuming there is some minor clarification required, I would think = Option 1 would work for you and is something that is used commonly = across YANG models. Anyway, I am around till noon if you want to help me understand the = issue. Thanks. > On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Tarek Saad (tsaad) = wrote: >=20 > Hi YANG doctors, >=20 > We have a requirement to reuse generic data across multiple technology = model instantiations for model we=E2=80=99re driving in = draft-ietf-teas-yang-te. For this, we've identified a number of = proposals and tried to summarize them in slides 7-10 in the deck = @http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-teas-3.pptx = >=20 > We are seeking your expert advice on the best way of the options to = proceed with and whether there=E2=80=99s a precedence in other IETF = models that have solved similar issues. >=20 > Regards, > Tarek (and co-authors) > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_11695F17-BF09-4776-9C27-6170EBF202B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Tarek,

I = am not sure I understand all the options you are describing, so maybe = would need to understand that. I also do not understand the CON in the = first option where you talk about leafrefs being error prone.

Assuming there is some = minor clarification required, I would think Option 1 would work for you = and is something that is used commonly across YANG models.

Anyway, I am around till = noon if you want to help me understand the issue.
Thanks.

On = Jul 21, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Tarek Saad (tsaad) <tsaad@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hi YANG doctors,

We have a requirement to reuse generic data across = multiple technology model instantiations for model we=E2=80=99re driving = in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te. For this, we've identified a = number of proposals and tried to summarize them in slides 7-10 in the deck @ = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-teas-3.pptx

We are seeking your expert advice on the best way of the = options to proceed with and whether there=E2=80=99s a precedence in = other IETF models that have solved similar issues.

Regards,
Tarek (and co-authors)
_______________________________________________
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors

Mahesh Jethanandani
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Mehmet, can you please reconcile the two lists in one of the location, and provide the pointer in the other. Regards, B. > The chairs of NETCONF and NETMOD (Kent Watsen) cannot find the YANG FAQ page. > > A google search of “ietf yang faq†yields several links none of which point to anything that looks like a FAQ. There is no link from the OPS Area Wiki link to the FAQ. The link from NETMOD Wiki page to a FAQ points to an old FAQ that is not the same FAQ. 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:HE1PR0701MB2859; H:HE1PR0701MB2859.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: nokia.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <8AC3A5315CAA7D47B486C8508F899F72@nokia.onmicrosoft.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Jul 2016 19:39:14.7230 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0701MB2859 Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG FAQ X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:39:21 -0000 T0sNCg0KQ2hlZXJzLA0KTWVobWV0DQooU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQpDQoNCj4gQW0gMjQuMDcu MjAxNiB1bSAyMTozNyBzY2hyaWViIEJlbm9pdCBDbGFpc2UgPGJjbGFpc2VAY2lzY28uY29tPjoN Cj4gDQo+IFRoZSBpc3N1ZSBpcyB0aGF0IHRoZXJlIGFyZSAyIEZBUXM6IG9uZSBmcm9tIE5FVE1P RCAod2hpY2ggSSB3YXMgbm90IGF3YXJlIG9mKSwgYW5kIG9uZSB0aGUgWUFORyBkb2N0b3JzLg0K PiBNZWhtZXQsIGNhbiB5b3UgcGxlYXNlIHJlY29uY2lsZSB0aGUgdHdvIGxpc3RzIGluIG9uZSBv ZiB0aGUgbG9jYXRpb24sIGFuZCBwcm92aWRlIHRoZSBwb2ludGVyIGluIHRoZSBvdGhlci4NCj4g DQo+IFJlZ2FyZHMsIEIuDQo+PiBUaGUgY2hhaXJzIG9mIE5FVENPTkYgYW5kIE5FVE1PRCAoS2Vu dCBXYXRzZW4pIGNhbm5vdCBmaW5kIHRoZSBZQU5HIEZBUSBwYWdlLg0KPj4gDQo+PiBBIGdvb2ds ZSBzZWFyY2ggb2Yg4oCcaWV0ZiB5YW5nIGZhceKAnSB5aWVsZHMgc2V2ZXJhbCBsaW5rcyBub25l IG9mIHdoaWNoIHBvaW50IHRvIGFueXRoaW5nIHRoYXQgbG9va3MgbGlrZSBhIEZBUS4gVGhlcmUg aXMgbm8gbGluayBmcm9tIHRoZSBPUFMgQXJlYSBXaWtpIGxpbmsgdG8gdGhlIEZBUS4gVGhlIGxp bmsgZnJvbSBORVRNT0QgV2lraSBwYWdlIHRvIGEgRkFRIHBvaW50cyB0byBhbiBvbGQgRkFRIHRo YXQgaXMgbm90IHRoZSBzYW1lIEZBUS4gSSBrbm93IGl0IGV4aXN0cywgYmVjYXVzZSBJIGhhdmUg bWFkZSBhbiBlbnRyeSwgYnV0IGlmIHlvdSBhc2sgbWUgSSBjYW5ub3QgZmluZCBpdC4NCj4+IA0K Pj4gQ2FuIHdlIGZpeCBpdC4NCj4+IA0KPj4gTWFoZXNoIEpldGhhbmFuZGFuaQ0KPj4gbWpldGhh bmFuZGFuaUBnbWFpbC5jb20NCj4+IA0KPj4gDQo+PiANCj4+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+PiB5YW5nLWRvY3RvcnMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0 DQo+PiB5YW5nLWRvY3RvcnNAaWV0Zi5vcmcNCj4+IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxt YW4vbGlzdGluZm8veWFuZy1kb2N0b3JzDQo+IA0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPiB5YW5nLWRvY3RvcnMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQo+IHlh bmctZG9jdG9yc0BpZXRmLm9yZw0KPiBodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3Rp bmZvL3lhbmctZG9jdG9ycw0K From nobody Mon Jul 25 06:38:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8D312D0E0; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] Feedback on options for issue #1 in TE tunnel YANG X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:31 -0000 Hi Tarek, your analysis of available solutions seems correct and exhaustive. Maybe I don't fully understand option #3 but I think you could achieve a reasonable level of "object-orientedness" and separation of technology-specific data by defining appropriate hierarchy of identities (possibly with multiple inheritance, which is now possible in YANG 1.1), and then using conditional augments. As for option #2, the design of schema mount could perhaps include some means for refering to data nodes and/or definitions in the parent schema. This would however make the subschema usable only in a specific context. Lada "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" writes: > Hi YANG doctors, > > We have a requirement to reuse generic data across multiple technology mo= del instantiations for model we=E2=80=99re driving in draft-ietf-teas-yang-= te. For this, we've identified a number of proposals and tried to summarize= them in slides 7-10 in the deck @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slide= s/slides-96-teas-3.pptx > > We are seeking your expert advice on the best way of the options to proce= ed with and whether there=E2=80=99s a precedence in other IETF models that = have solved similar issues. > > Regards, > Tarek (and co-authors) > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors --=20 Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Mon Jul 25 23:17:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF5A128E18 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwLIf3DjrHQI for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com (mail-yw0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BF1E12D66E for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id u134so185480469ywg.3 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4QSUnVvporT3AVH9RXLINQG/E953rDGTp1PU6kDyzeE=; b=NM+cnnzUf5rXayAcebfB2Exo3fvJuKaQ5rC7pzsGHEodnhkeWmg6ltUrk7hUTyMqlY 29QcerZbqywM9ZoW5H0WQUR9seDrz9LHt7nazupEx+6CRA15wvxoDfugigKMEd7y9sox C/9kKH4e/wP7qUG3NNdkw8y+gI8UvxxrEv1dEUDVXC3aQuecrMvZsfiF8XIzSHo4aCsl 4FE+1HdlMxYAQu0mZx8Cq3NHcMmHtoxjwf2Mu7OUhdkXJ1cjthVZCJkr0dhJ6wOQidi3 IVOdRD05N2wOwBdjOEcJoAfxCSs/B5czMyLQrma3EnLUoK+KDGyCEShENrJAlZD3wzCY gtqw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4QSUnVvporT3AVH9RXLINQG/E953rDGTp1PU6kDyzeE=; b=ik2DdFsenC+e/Ng3+djoF+RFJgYtyisxYPZYCiFUbMwzOroxppLEwn0Dq1NLJakfWL WpJSmJlFK5FCQaJng5EzFisv/C8QlU8BNWDSyxrH42rU7R2onq9Cc8f4su1y8S9YVAtv Tj+rN4ctkCD7NRnvw36WKHrElIPGcqRdesDITBAfGO4rTnJNZHTos/oCP6xSHl/kNhBr soj3KYYTnhoq5OSkK57TbSCZczla3ee+MwSgGvf/S6HzUFxEAkGFO3KEPHcbeuCz1aYG OGejFB+rZvAHvBGBWUTzM6wIbhR3CiR7dB9TGklP9ztTrJ/ex3c9gHcrsFzKRq06BG1v H1TA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutIqQY+UDn/hRVHsO0Zl4lFwFRuXdLEHWDcXyRAF3XwM7PmVnkFpHDynoXcfKr+nZcTXIt0xu+U2IKELw== X-Received: by 10.31.252.203 with SMTP id a194mr8424975vki.44.1469513817064; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.4.198 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: YANG Doctors Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c149bd40f3157053883d9ff Archived-At: Subject: [yang-doctors] YD lunch follow-up X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:16:59 -0000 --94eb2c149bd40f3157053883d9ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Not too many doctors at the meeting. I know travel is hard and expensive so maybe that is why. I think we need to bring back the YANG training that was dropped except make it part of the hackathon. If we could get at least 1 YD onsite at all times during the 2 days, then maybe more people will go to the hackathon. I also need to focus on drafts during the week and do not want to be bothered in the halls constantly. I don't want YD hours during IETF week (M-F) Andy --94eb2c149bd40f3157053883d9ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Not too many doctors at the meeting= .
I know travel is hard and expensive so maybe that is why.
=

I think we need to bring back the YANG training that wa= s dropped
except make it part of the hackathon.=C2=A0 If we could= get at least 1
YD onsite at all times during the 2 days, then ma= ybe more people
will go to the hackathon.=C2=A0 I also need to fo= cus on drafts during
the week and do not want to be bothered in t= he halls constantly.
I don't want YD hours during IETF week (= M-F)


Andy

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AI = Action Item

-  Any questions on my OPS AD message at the beginning of NETMOD?
    none.

-  YANG doctors process of reviewing drafts
    Interaction is the time killer, not the review
    Reduced the number of YANG doctors, and kept the active ones
    RTG Design Team => for routing integration, so that the YANG doctors can focus on YANG only
    What should be in RFC6087bis, What should be in FAQ        
    Needed education:
        how to design a good YANG model
        not on: what's new?

AI Benoit: YANG doctors open hours at the next IETF
AI Benoit: create a mailing list such as yang@ietf.org or yang-questions@ietf.org
   
-        YANG FAQ
 We can be thinking of a stackoverflow for YANG.
However, the conclusion is that wherever the FAQs are, google will find it
AI Mehmet: link the two FAQ lists, the one from NETMOD and YANG doctors
AI Mehmet: first WIKI FAQ: what information do need to review before asking assistance
AI Benoit: check if the yang-doctors is already public?
AI: Update YANG wikipedia

Let me know if I forgot anything.

Regards, Benoit
--------------C97F96134A758A59F3F4D9DC-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 09:06:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397F912B051; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2d2YKBl1gGH6; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE7B12D1C2; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:54:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2786; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469548441; x=1470758041; h=to:cc:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=oWANNc/DEGHNZHi+Cj7RJ2P+pnCLavkuH8CKQkH9bbs=; b=GqVG4KDwn2bLsp2Vo4ByKAZ+WUmyvCaBc5p6kDIbBDAtP8uTusJewb5t 7IT75D9ygu5rio7PckADOXaMfWbCvy7oA7fSa1NR3bnAcFjZfmI8LugIJ mGXR3Uq6mjw4Lu6kPi8exvpMnpPLYsO4RwYFWZk9inPRHIxuO5l0vi/Y/ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CACgBDhpdX/xbLJq1ehD+lUY56gnaED?= =?us-ascii?q?IYdggYBAQEBAQFeJ4UGVh8BPQJfDQgBAYgtqzeNYgEBAQEGAQEBAQEBIYYqgXg?= =?us-ascii?q?Ihl8RAYMdgloFmTGOe4lUhWuQJVSDejqHOQ0XB4EXAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,425,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="637577577" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Jul 2016 15:53:58 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6QFrv8W007128; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:53:57 GMT To: YANG Doctors From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:53:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6358DAF003D7F0EE7394B031" Archived-At: Cc: "" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [yang-doctors] YANG module statement X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:06:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6358DAF003D7F0EE7394B031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear YANG doctors, The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance: YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structured to include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration. If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in a model augmentation We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent suggestion. Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP) We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary. So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow evening. Regards, Benoit --------------6358DAF003D7F0EE7394B031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear YANG doctors,

The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance:
YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration
If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structured to include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration.
If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in a model augmentation

We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent suggestion.
Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP)
 
We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary.

So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow evening.

Regards, Benoit --------------6358DAF003D7F0EE7394B031-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 09:16:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C7128B44; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C-Sm4qjELXOH; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC41C12D1A3; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DE2786; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id F38jvcbzv9jc; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1C920075; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EFVtGWCuWzsJ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C46B20074; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 83D233BE40D3; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:19 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20160726161619.GA62128@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , YANG Doctors , "" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "" , YANG Doctors , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG module statement X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:16:43 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53:57PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear YANG doctors, > > The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance: > > YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves to > indicate applied configuration > If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structured to > include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration. > If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the > applied configuration in a model augmentation > > We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent suggestion. > > Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with > TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP) > > We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place > nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model > augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary. > > So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email > sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow > evening. Yes, I have a strong objection since terms are undefined (i.e., 'applied configuration', 'sufficiently advanced'). A policy using undefined terms is for me useless. So who is going to decide whether a leaf is 'applied configuration' or not? Who is going to decided whether a model is 'sufficiently advanced'? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Jul 26 09:29:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0070912D18C; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DJtpdP_m6jee; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5D6812D131; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1765; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469550562; x=1470760162; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lBwrUpPXf9Jisg7LhuM99mOshhRdxR+km0yp3OBRhtw=; b=L0iRkFKYV/D8NibYK2fXKjTGhifu4hgKMeeNd39m3IUllZ52L9NI27GO NkUrc2u2cyGSItaUbzgKDRbpbNK1hMDI/qYe5bJ9avvAgBKG4dzYP0X65 kUW9PMQWlSgYmNl5TQ8XdRFK3++DolrJMQmJOaNgglgyxbmpQnBpo904T g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D3CADxjpdX/xbLJq1ehD+3QYIPgX2GH?= =?us-ascii?q?QKBdBIBAQEBAQEBXSeEXQEFOFELGC5XBgEMCAEBiC25NgEBAQEBAQEDAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BIYYqgXgIgk2CEIICEQGFWh0BBJkxjnuJVIVrjC2DeCULJIIQHIFOOoc5DRcHg?= =?us-ascii?q?RcBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,425,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="679117165" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Jul 2016 16:29:20 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6QGTJNc018651; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:29:19 GMT To: YANG Doctors , "" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" References: <20160726161619.GA62128@elstar.local> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:29:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160726161619.GA62128@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG module statement X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:29:24 -0000 On 7/26/2016 6:16 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53:57PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Dear YANG doctors, >> >> The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance: >> >> YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves to >> indicate applied configuration >> If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structured to >> include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration. >> If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the >> applied configuration in a model augmentation >> >> We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent suggestion. >> >> Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with >> TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP) >> >> We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place >> nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model >> augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary. >> >> So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email >> sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow >> evening. > Yes, I have a strong objection since terms are undefined (i.e., > 'applied configuration', 'sufficiently advanced'). A policy using > undefined terms is for me useless. So who is going to decide whether a > leaf is 'applied configuration' or not? basically, we don't want to duplicate all the leafs, like openconfig did. > Who is going to decided > whether a model is 'sufficiently advanced'? The ADs. Example: IDR BGP has got multiple implementations already. What do we do with this? The SHOULDs are there to leave the door open for very particular cases. 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Lou can explain the details, if necessary. >>> >>> So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an >>> email >>> sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow >>> evening. >>> >> Yes, I have a strong objection since terms are undefined (i.e., >> 'applied configuration', 'sufficiently advanced'). A policy using >> undefined terms is for me useless. So who is going to decide whether a >> leaf is 'applied configuration' or not? >> > basically, we don't want to duplicate all the leafs, like openconfig did. > >> Who is going to decided >> whether a model is 'sufficiently advanced'? >> > The ADs. Example: IDR BGP has got multiple implementations already. What > do we do with this? > The SHOULDs are there to leave the door open for very particular cases. > > IMO this is a good solution approach. We know the "official solution" is not done yet, so the details are not resolved yet. That does not matter. Using augment makes it possible to undo the mirror-solution and also allow vendors to decide if/when to do that. Very clever. Regards, B. > >> >> /js >> >> > Andy > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > --94eb2c11c9604f546705388c84fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
On 7/26/2016 6:16 PM, J= uergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53:57PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
Dear YANG doctors,

The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 indicate applied configuration
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structu= red to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific= to the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 applied configuration in a model augmentation

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent s= uggestion.

Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with<= br> TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP)

We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model
augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary.

So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email<= br> sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow
evening.
Yes, I have a strong objection since terms are undefined (i.e.,
'applied configuration', 'sufficiently advanced'). A policy= using
undefined terms is for me useless. So who is going to decide whether a
leaf is 'applied configuration' or not?
basically, we don't want to duplicate all the leafs, like openconfig di= d.
Who is going to decided
whether a model is 'sufficiently advanced'?
The ADs. Example: IDR BGP has got multiple implementations already. What do= we do with this?
The SHOULDs are there to leave the door open for very particular cases.



IMO this is a good solu= tion approach.
We know the "official solution" is not d= one yet, so the details
are not resolved yet.=C2=A0 That does not= matter.
Using augment makes it possible to undo the mirror-solut= ion
and also allow vendors to decide if/when to do that. Very cle= ver.


Regards, B.

/js




Andy
=C2=A0
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yang-doctors mailing list
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors=

--94eb2c11c9604f546705388c84fe-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 10:22:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E212D857; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Off_5Ftk1n5z; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B112312D854; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6FA757; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id vB8paKvY5buF; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DD920075; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id egLHh_f6zmEh; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE9720074; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3BB0D3BE4430; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:22:18 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20160726172216.GA62269@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , YANG Doctors , "" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" References: <20160726161619.GA62128@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "" , YANG Doctors , "ops-ads@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG module statement X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:22:25 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 06:29:19PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: > On 7/26/2016 6:16 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53:57PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: > > > Dear YANG doctors, > > > > > > The RTG and OPS ADs came up with this guidance: > > > > > > YANG modules SHOULD NOT be structured to include nodes/leaves to > > > indicate applied configuration > > > If the YANG module is sufficently advanced, it MAY be structured to > > > include nodes/leaves to indicate applied configuration. > > > If you do so, you SHOULD place nodes/leaves that are specific to the > > > applied configuration in a model augmentation > > > > > > We would like to thank the RT design team for the excellent suggestion. > > > > > > Note: Lou being THE person making this statement happen, and checking with > > > TEAS, PCE, MPLS (and CCAMP) > > > > > > We would like to validate this sentence with you: "you SHOULD place > > > nodes/leaves that are specific to the applied configuration in an model > > > augmentation". Lou can explain the details, if necessary. > > > > > > So any strong objection to this guidance? The end goal is to have an email > > > sent on behalf of the RTG and OPS ADs, posted soon, ideally tomorrow > > > evening. > > Yes, I have a strong objection since terms are undefined (i.e., > > 'applied configuration', 'sufficiently advanced'). A policy using > > undefined terms is for me useless. So who is going to decide whether a > > leaf is 'applied configuration' or not? > basically, we don't want to duplicate all the leafs, like openconfig did. We have duplicated several leafs in ietf-interfaces. Please clarify whether your policy targets duplication (i) inside a single tree or (ii) at the leaves of a tree or (iii) at two different roots (i.e., the /foo and /foo-state model) or a certain combination of the three or all of them. I just can't tell from the way the policy is worded. > > Who is going to decided > > whether a model is 'sufficiently advanced'? > The ADs. Example: IDR BGP has got multiple implementations > already. What do we do with this? The SHOULDs are there to leave > the door open for very particular cases. You mean draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model-02.txt? This document needs updates anyway to turn it from openconfig models into IETF models and that likely will require implementations to change; perhaps the early implementors are better off publishing the openconfig models they implement as Informational or Experimental documents. But back to the topic, perhaps clarify in the policy that the ADs (that is the respective area ADs and the OPS AD together) decide what is 'sufficently advanced'. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Jul 27 11:33:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FB112D08C for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKOt9V79aBj2 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, we discussed in Berlin to add a first FAQ entry to explain what people shou= ld do before asking YANG doctors. Please comment on the rough proposal below: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below. - Read RFC 6087 on "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data M= odel Documents" - Follow the tutorials: - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technic= al-tutorials.html#yang - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https:/= /www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.html#netconfandyang - But also RFC 6244 on "An Architecture for Network Management Using N= ETCONF and YANG" - You might be also interested to check additionally following pages i= n the Internet: - http://www.yang-central.org/ - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/ - If you still have questions write an email to yang-doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with some ex= amples. 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Hi All,
 
we discussed in Berlin to add a first FAQ entr= y to explain what people should do before asking YANG doctors.
       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; 
Please comment on the rough proposal below:
 
- First of all read RFC 6020 on “= YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network Configuration Protocol (NET= CONF)”.
 
- If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please r= eview following information:

    - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below.
    - Read RFC 6087 on &= #8220;Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data Model DocumentsR= 21;
    - Follow the tutorials:
        - Workin= g with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical= -tutorials.html#yang
        - N= etwork Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at http= s://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.html#netconfandyang   
 
     - But also RFC 624= 4 on “An Architecture for Network Management Using NETCONF and YA= NG”
     - You might be also i= nterested to check additionally following pages in the Internet:
       &nbs= p; - ht= tp://www.yang-central.org/
       &nbs= p; - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/ <= /div>
 
- If you still have questions write an email t= o yang-= doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with = some examples.
  
Cheers,
Mehmet
 
 
 
Cheers,
Mehmet
 
 
 
 --_000_VI1PR0701MB28619B035E021C09F86D17EF910F0VI1PR0701MB2861_-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 03:36:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCF612DFDD for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5nu73wHx8KY for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA4F312DFD9 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:36:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EIAgDv3plX/yYyC4ddGwEBAYJZIS1Wf?= =?us-ascii?q?AaNJak4gg+BPRomI4V6AoE5OBQBAQEBAQEBA1onglEiFwYHAwEBAQEBASUBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBASICDQIvEgEBGQEBAQEDEhtcAgEIDQQBAwEBCxYHBzIUAwYIAQEEARIIA?= =?us-ascii?q?RmIDwENoz+YIAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARyGK4RMhBIRAR40ghNjghI?= =?us-ascii?q?dBZkyAYYXilBOhAyDJQyFSYwug3geNoFXgiNuAQEBhz82AX4BAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EIAgDv3plX/yYyC4ddGwEBAYJZIS1WfAaNJak4gg+BPRo?= =?us-ascii?q?mI4V6AoE5OBQBAQEBAQEBA1onglEiFwYHAwEBAQEBASUBAQEBAQEBASICDQIvE?= =?us-ascii?q?gEBGQEBAQEDEhtcAgEIDQQBAwEBCxYHBzIUAwYIAQEEARIIARmIDwENoz+YIAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARyGK4RMhBIRAR40ghNjghIdBZkyAYYXilBOh?= =?us-ascii?q?AyDJQyFSYwug3geNoFXgiNuAQEBhz82AX4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,433,1464667200"; d="scan'208,217";a="198337697" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2016 06:36:02 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 28 Jul 2016 06:36:03 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:36:01 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" , YANG Doctors Thread-Topic: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG doctors Thread-Index: AdHoNRHUFJ87LdzDQTGaBkkjxcH93QAhedlQ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7525438C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7525438CAZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG doctors X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:36:07 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7525438CAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks good to me. I have one issue only. The first bullet refers to RF= C 6020 and the second to 6020bis which is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis i= s approved, should this text refer to both? Something like: OLD: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: NEW: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)" (YANG 1.0) and https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG revi= ew. - If your answer is not in RFC 6020 or in rfc6020bis please review followin= g information: Regards, Dan From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersu= e, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM To: YANG Doctors Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG doct= ors Hi All, we discussed in Berlin to add a first FAQ entry to explain what people shou= ld do before asking YANG doctors. Please comment on the rough proposal below: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below. - Read RFC 6087 on "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data M= odel Documents" - Follow the tutorials: - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technic= al-tutorials.html#yang - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https:/= /www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.html#netconfandyang - But also RFC 6244 on "An Architecture for Network Management Using N= ETCONF and YANG" - You might be also interested to check additionally following pages i= n the Internet: - http://www.yang-central.org/ - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/ - If you still have questions write an email to yang-doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with some ex= amples. Cheers, Mehmet Cheers, Mehmet --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7525438CAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This looks good to me. I ha= ve one issue only. The first bullet refers to RFC 6020 and the second to 60= 20bis which is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis is approved, should this text refer to both?

 

Something like:

 

OLD:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not in = RFC6020bis please review following information:

 

NEW:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)” (YANG 1.0) and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-net= mod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG review.

 

- If your answer is not in = RFC 6020 or in rfc6020bis please review following information:

 

Regards,<= /p>

 

Dan

 

 <= /p>

From: yang-doc= tors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM
To: YANG Doctors
Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YA= NG doctors

 

Hi All,

 

we discussed in Berlin to= add a first FAQ entry to explain what people should do before asking YANG = doctors.

    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     

Please comment on the rou= gh proposal below:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not i= n RFC6020bis please review following information:<= /o:p>


    - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below.

    - Read RFC 6087 on “Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data= Model Documents”

    - Foll= ow the tutorials:

    &= nbsp;   - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#yang

    &= nbsp;   - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG = at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#netconfandyang   <= /span>

 

     = - But also RFC 6244 on “An Architecture for Network Management Using NETC= ONF and YANG”

     = - You might be also interested to check additionally following pages in the= Internet:

    &= nbsp;    - http://www.yang-central.org/

    &= nbsp;    - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/

 

- If you still have quest= ions write an email to yang= -doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with som= e examples.

  

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7525438CAZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 04:11:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91D712DEEB for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 04:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ok8_28J1OGQZ for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 04:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 873CA12DEE1 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 04:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA6572C; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id FZLGQj7GYQvc; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B690420077; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewWZC2EE5tx8; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546512007B; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:11:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id BB6193BF8C31; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:10:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:10:59 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" Message-ID: <20160728111057.GA1490@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" , Benoit Claise , YANG Doctors References: <9A8E8236-442B-485C-934F-6F0B28D85780@gmail.com> <837a0075-cf41-4392-ad89-fabacf72365f@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] YANG FAQ X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:11:12 -0000 So where is the final YANG FAQ going to be located? https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/yang-doctors This is not the nicest URL since it does not actually indicate that the document contains a YANG FAQ. Nor is the URL short (but there is likely not much that can be done about this easily). https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netmod/trac/wiki/YANG_FAQ This seems to indicate the FAQ belongs to NETMOD (which I personally do not have a problem with). It does not seem to have been updated for a long time. In both cases, it would be nice if the page could include a last changed timestamp. I do like the summary table of questions on the NETMOD FAQ page since it helps to structure things. /js On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 07:39:14PM +0000, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) wrote: > OK > > Cheers, > Mehmet > (Sent from my iPad) > > > Am 24.07.2016 um 21:37 schrieb Benoit Claise : > > > > The issue is that there are 2 FAQs: one from NETMOD (which I was not aware of), and one the YANG doctors. > > Mehmet, can you please reconcile the two lists in one of the location, and provide the pointer in the other. > > > > Regards, B. > >> The chairs of NETCONF and NETMOD (Kent Watsen) cannot find the YANG FAQ page. > >> > >> A google search of “ietf yang faq†yields several links none of which point to anything that looks like a FAQ. There is no link from the OPS Area Wiki link to the FAQ. The link from NETMOD Wiki page to a FAQ points to an old FAQ that is not the same FAQ. I know it exists, because I have made an entry, but if you ask me I cannot find it. > >> > >> Can we fix it. > >> > >> Mahesh Jethanandani > >> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yang-doctors mailing list > >> yang-doctors@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yang-doctors mailing list > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Jul 28 04:14:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6212DEF3 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds good. It was indeed inconsistent. Cheers, Mehmet From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:36 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) ; YANG Doctor= s Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG = doctors This looks good to me. I have one issue only. The first bullet refers to RF= C 6020 and the second to 6020bis which is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis i= s approved, should this text refer to both? Something like: OLD: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: NEW: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)" (YANG 1.0) and https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG revi= ew. - If your answer is not in RFC 6020 or in rfc6020bis please review followin= g information: Regards, Dan From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersu= e, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM To: YANG Doctors Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG doct= ors Hi All, we discussed in Berlin to add a first FAQ entry to explain what people shou= ld do before asking YANG doctors. Please comment on the rough proposal below: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below. - Read RFC 6087 on "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data M= odel Documents" - Follow the tutorials: - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technic= al-tutorials.html#yang - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https:/= /www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.html#netconfandyang - But also RFC 6244 on "An Architecture for Network Management Using N= ETCONF and YANG" - You might be also interested to check additionally following pages i= n the Internet: - http://www.yang-central.org/ - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/ - If you still have questions write an email to yang-doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with some ex= amples. Cheers, Mehmet Cheers, Mehmet --_000_VI1PR0701MB28614E2063A63B67E3F5598D91000VI1PR0701MB2861_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds good.

It was indeed inconsistent.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:d= romasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) <mehmet.ersue@nokia.com>= ; YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before askin= g YANG doctors

 

This looks good to me. I have one issue= only. The first bullet refers to RFC 6020 and the second to 6020bis which = is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis is approved, should this text refer to both?

 

Something like:

 

OLD:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC6020bis p= lease review following information:

 

NEW:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)” (YANG 1.0) and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-net= mod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG review.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC 6020 or = in rfc6020bis please review following information:

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM
To: YANG Doctors
Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YA= NG doctors

 

Hi All,

 

we discussed in Berlin to add a first= FAQ entry to explain what people should do before asking YANG doctors.

      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   

Please comment on the rough proposal = below:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC6020bis= please review following information:


    - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below.

    - Read RFC 6087 on “Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data= Model Documents”

    - Follow the tutor= ials:

       = - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#yang

       =  - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#netconfandyang   

 

     - But also RFC 6244 on “An Architecture for Network Management Using NETC= ONF and YANG”

     - You might = be also interested to check additionally following pages in the Internet:

      &= nbsp;  - http://www.yang-central.org/

      &= nbsp;  - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/

 

- If you still have questions write a= n email to yang= -doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with som= e examples.

  

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:46:47 -0000 On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:42:51PM +0000, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) wrote: > The original FAQ under NETMOD also requires some clean-up and polishing. Simply merge the useful stuff into the consolidated FAQ and then remove the other oldish FAQs entirely. (The wiki keeps a history so in case someone wants to travel backwards in time, there is a way to do so.) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Jul 28 07:57:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2182512D606 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lHrzXGQr6jNG for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, All, please look for the entry in subject at the URL below: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/yang-doctors PS: I will provide in a parallel mail a proposal for how to organize the pa= ges under YANG doctors entry page, etc. Cheers, Mehmet From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:36 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) ; YANG Doctor= s Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG = doctors This looks good to me. I have one issue only. The first bullet refers to RF= C 6020 and the second to 6020bis which is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis i= s approved, should this text refer to both? Something like: OLD: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: NEW: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)" (YANG 1.0) and https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG revi= ew. - If your answer is not in RFC 6020 or in rfc6020bis please review followin= g information: Regards, Dan From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersu= e, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM To: YANG Doctors Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YANG doct= ors Hi All, we discussed in Berlin to add a first FAQ entry to explain what people shou= ld do before asking YANG doctors. Please comment on the rough proposal below: - First of all read RFC 6020 on "YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Ne= twork Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". - If your answer is not in RFC6020bis please review following information: - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below. - Read RFC 6087 on "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data M= odel Documents" - Follow the tutorials: - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technic= al-tutorials.html#yang - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https:/= /www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.html#netconfandyang - But also RFC 6244 on "An Architecture for Network Management Using N= ETCONF and YANG" - You might be also interested to check additionally following pages i= n the Internet: - http://www.yang-central.org/ - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/ - If you still have questions write an email to yang-doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with some ex= amples. Cheers, Mehmet Cheers, Mehmet --_000_VI1PR0701MB28613304B100AF2C84BF83A891000VI1PR0701MB2861_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dan, All,

 

please look for the entry in subject = at the URL below:

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/tra= c/wiki/yang-doctors

 

PS: I will provide in a parallel mail= a proposal for how to organize the pages under YANG doctors entry page, et= c.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:d= romasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) <mehmet.ersue@nokia.com>= ; YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before askin= g YANG doctors

 

This looks good to me. I have one issue= only. The first bullet refers to RFC 6020 and the second to 6020bis which = is right now an I-D. Until 6020bis is approved, should this text refer to both?

 

Something like:

 

OLD:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC6020bis p= lease review following information:

 

NEW:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)” (YANG 1.0) and = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-net= mod-rfc6020bis/ (YANG 1.1) which is in IESG review.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC 6020 or = in rfc6020bis please review following information:

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: yang-doctors [mailto:yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:33 PM
To: YANG Doctors
Subject: [yang-doctors] FAQ Entry: What should I do before asking YA= NG doctors

 

Hi All,

 

we discussed in Berlin to add a first= FAQ entry to explain what people should do before asking YANG doctors.

      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   

Please comment on the rough proposal = below:

 

- First of all read RFC 6020 on “YANG - A Data Modeling Language for the Network C= onfiguration Protocol (NETCONF)”.

 

- If your answer is not in RFC6020bis= please review following information:


    - Read the questions and answers in the FAQ below.

    - Read RFC 6087 on “Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data= Model Documents”

    - Follow the tutor= ials:

       = - Working with YANG Data Models at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#yang

       =  - Network Configuration Management with NETCONF and YANG at https://www.ietf.org/edu/technical-tutorials.= html#netconfandyang   

 

     - But also RFC 6244 on “An Architecture for Network Management Using NETC= ONF and YANG”

     - You might = be also interested to check additionally following pages in the Internet:

      &= nbsp;  - http://www.yang-central.org/

      &= nbsp;  - YANG related info at http://www.netconfcentral.org/

 

- If you still have questions write a= n email to yang= -doctors@ietf.org and describe your question and issues with som= e examples.

  

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

--_000_VI1PR0701MB28613304B100AF2C84BF83A891000VI1PR0701MB2861_-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 08:43:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6512D7CF for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:43:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcHVdkxq5j_2 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A047312B005 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-bbfff70000000190-4a-579a28087d07 Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.30]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 39.8C.00400.8082A975; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:43:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.198.13] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:43:04 +0200 To: Benoit Claise References: From: Balazs Lengyel Message-ID: <246264de-2097-d82b-d8b5-f79b94ac622b@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:43:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7nC63xqxwg0PaFn27DjA6MHosWfKT KYAxissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvj8ZRmpoLHcRVT1/1kaWB86drFyMkhIWAi8ebSdjYQW0hgPaPE 63nuXYxcQPYaRolF588wdzFycAgLJEnM/BMMUiMioCnxuH8TWFhIYDWjxMwokDCbgJHE1P7z LCA2r4C9xKOvK8BGsgioSnx/PocJpFxUIEZifV8CRImgxMmZT8DKOQWiJX41n2cGsZkF9CWu 37nPCmHLSzRvnc0McZmGxMMLf1knMPLPQtI+C0nLLCQtCxiZVzGKFqcWF+emGxnrpRZlJhcX 5+fp5aWWbGIEhtjBLb91dzCufu14iFGAg1GJh3fBtxnhQqyJZcWVuYcYJTiYlUR4VyvPChfi TUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTO6/9SMVxIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXA6HeH4/CqJO8W qUKpWiEjVr5ZWxUqjkiflFEpu+j75pk+F1vPTqn0StNSUe5bnR8ZHx05o1p17ELHE36HBb+5 Mj9N4XyyoMZSy+YI63m9WDnThDony+Qe3jfhU80u979YXln2iff/HTlJwTPJEcbybywuLUy6 19b4VG3GMVv7qIYYX+4cXnMlluKMREMt5qLiRADN1s7wLQIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] FW: YANG FAQ Page - Module Organization Illustration proposed answer X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:43:10 -0000

Hello,

Proposed answer to Module Organization Illustration

As described in RFC6087bis section 4.3 for each YANG module a YANG Tree representation SHOULD be provided.
The YANG Tree may be generated by the PYANG tool.
The PYANG tool MAY be used to generate an additional jstree format that is viewable in a web browser. The jstree format provides a collapsible HTML/JS tree view with additional information.  Both the tree and the jstree format allows the generation of a tree including multiple YANG modules.

regards Balazs

On 2016-06-19 22:23, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) wrote:
Hi All,
 
it seems we need to extend the deadline for addressing the FAQ entries below.
Please provide your improvements and draft answers by June 23, 2016.
       
1. Deviations versus if-feature? - Martin Björklund
 
2. Should NETCONF server export common YANG models? - Andy Bierman
 
3. Should Config, State, RPC, Notifications, etc. for a given protocol be all in one module, or different ones? (added by Rajiv Asati) - Lada Lhotka
 
4. Intended, Applied and Derived States? (added by Rajiv Asati) - Kent Watsen
 
5. Module Organization Illustration? (added by Rajiv Asati, answered by ...) - Balazs Lengyel
 
6. Can a leaf exist inside a module by itself (without a container)? - Carl Moberg
 
Thank you for your input.
 
FAQ entries 6, 7 and 8 are now seen as confirmed.
 
Cheers,
Mehmet
 
 
_____________________________________________
From: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:07 PM
To: yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: YANG FAQ Page - Assignments of Questions to answer WAS:FW: YANG FAQ page and Developing of the Answers
 
 
Hi All,
 
This is the very first round of assignments for the YANG FAQ page clarifications and the drafting of answers.
So please bear with us and suggest what you would like to improve.
See the mail below for some details on the handling.
 
If for any reason you cannot provide a draft answer please let me know as soon as possible.
For some of the questions below there is an incomplete answer on the wiki page below:
 
1. Deviations versus if-feature? - Martin Björklund
 
2. Should NETCONF server export common YANG models? - Andy Bierman
 
3. Should Config, State, RPC, Notifications, etc. for a given protocol be all in one module, or different ones? (added by Rajiv Asati) - Lada Lhotka
 
4. Intended, Applied and Derived States? (added by Rajiv Asati) - Kent Watsen
 
5. Module Organization Illustration? (added by Rajiv Asati, answered by ...) - Balazs Lengyel
 
6. Can a leaf exist inside a module by itself (without a container)? - Carl Moberg
 
Thank you for your efforts in advance.
 
Mehmet
 
_____________________________________________
From: Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:05 PM
To: 'yang-doctors@ietf.org' <yang-doctors@ietf.org>
Subject: YANG FAQ page and Developing of the Answers
 
 
Hi All,
 
Benoit proposed to update/maintain the YANG Wiki FAQ page. This is basically to do by
assigning questions to people and validating the drafted answer text on YANG doctor’s list
(see attached mail).
 
will be updated with the validated answers.
As a starter I will assign the 6 questions currently on the FAQ page to people I assume can answer it appropriately.
We need to check whether the current answer on this page is sufficient and improve as necessary.
If you don’t like the question formulation you can provide a better one in your draft.
 
Please send your proposed draft answer to yang-doctors@ietf.org for validation and use the answered question in the subject (at least partly if it is long).
PLMK with a short note if you feel uncomfortable with the assigned question.
 
I propose to note the assignments on the page below as a new category: YANG Questions and Answers
 
Please let us know the questions you think should be addressed on the FAQ page.
As a reminder the minutes of YANG editing and advice sessions are attached.
 
Any other suggestions are welcome.
 
Many Thanks.
 
Cheers,
Mehmet
 
 
 

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On = Jul 28, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

The PYANG tool MAY = be used to generate an additional jstree format that is viewable in a = web browser. The jstree format provides a collapsible HTML/JS tree view = with additional information.  Both the tree and the jstree format = allows the generation of a tree including multiple YANG = modules.

I do not = know if Rajiv intended this question for just the FAQ or if he was = asking for it in the context of a draft. If the latter, how would you = propose a draft could embed the jstree output, specially for a .txt = version of the draft? Provide a link? If so, where is the link going to = reside?

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



= --Apple-Mail=_7A6F52C1-9A9C-4EE7-989F-A90C10BE6C47-- From nobody Fri Jul 29 03:29:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: yang-doctors@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40A112DA89 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eF0opSXD71To for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 147FE12D94C for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:29:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-703ff70000000bbb-3d-579b300184a5 Received: from ESESSHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.36]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 5C.C5.03003.1003B975; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:29:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.197.135] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:29:20 +0200 To: Mahesh Jethanandani References: <246264de-2097-d82b-d8b5-f79b94ac622b@ericsson.com> <00ABAF4F-865E-4D63-A2C9-BA5897688D3F@gmail.com> From: Balazs Lengyel Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:29:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00ABAF4F-865E-4D63-A2C9-BA5897688D3F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7ii6Twexwgz+veCxOv1nHZtG36wCj A5PHzll32T2WLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJXx8OsX9oL/ChWTOvayNjDuFeti5OSQEDCR 2NS8i7mLkYtDSGA9o8Sn5XNYIZy1jBIzd90Gcjg4hAWSJGb+CQZpEBEwlDh14AUTRM0UJomz J78xgySYBTQlrj7dxg5iswkYSUztP88CYvMK2Es83ruODcRmEVCV2L3yBRvITFGBGIn1fQkQ JYISJ2c+ASvnFLCVmPH/GRPESH2J63fus0LY8hLNW2eDrRIS0JB4eOEv6wRGgVlI2mchaZmF pGUBI/MqRtHi1OKk3HQjY73Uoszk4uL8PL281JJNjMCwPLjlt+oOxstvHA8xCnAwKvHwKnjM ChdiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwpumPTtciDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4EKM0B4uSOK//S8VwIYH0xJLU 7NTUgtQimCwTB6dUA6N8y19fucdckzy+cu6u5Inv+331urmfTYiJyXunV0Fn67eX/35lfuva 7vUrds1jD4o8/2Kle9nWey9e7Ot/8fvvIpXVF7VfLjCofByesfDur/xT4THtAevmzjc5/pxf pNkhesnkfzN4Gz/yXLg/8XjJjOZD7AJxvlFFd44cnsyiF7E5fH6oMsdRJZbijERDLeai4kQA C0liqkcCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] FW: YANG FAQ Page - Module Organization Illustration proposed answer X-BeenThere: yang-doctors@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: email list of the yang-doctors directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:29:26 -0000

IMHO

tree: SHOULD be in the draft/RFC and anywhere else where needed
jstree: NOT in the draft, anywhere else where needed. Good to know we have this more advanced capability
Revised text:

As described in RFC6087bis section 4.3 for each YANG module a YANG Tree representation SHOULD be provided. The YANG tree representation SHOULD be included in internet draft and RFCs.  The YANG Tree may be generated by the PYANG tool.

The PYANG tool MAY be used to generate an additional jstree format that is viewable in a web browser. The jstree format provides a collapsible HTML/JS tree view with additional information.  While the jstree format is useful it is not suited for inclusion into drafts/RFCs.

Both the tree and the jstree format allows the generation of a tree including multiple YANG modules.

regards Balazs

On 2016-07-28 18:19, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote:
Balazs,

On Jul 28, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

The PYANG tool MAY be used to generate an additional jstree format that is viewable in a web browser. The jstree format provides a collapsible HTML/JS tree view with additional information.  Both the tree and the jstree format allows the generation of a tree including multiple YANG modules.

I do not know if Rajiv intended this question for just the FAQ or if he was asking for it in the context of a draft. If the latter, how would you propose a draft could embed the jstree output, specially for a .txt version of the draft? Provide a link? If so, where is the link going to reside?

Mahesh Jethanandani




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